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Release the Bats was the final dagger, I don't care if I ever see London again, its a horrible, horrible place
can't be worse than aberdeen
you're a cunt
give the details and vent your frustration
it seems unlikely that somewhere like London will have much to offer you
Norwich is a great place
no it isn't
I live in Glasgow now but whatever
yes, this is true
and yet it is simultaneously one of the best places in the world
damn that mischievous yin and that sexy yang
There is loads of girls and drugs and guns.
but I've been to worse places. I like to visit but if I lived there I would fuckin hate the place. To busey, to many hipsters, to expensive, I might come round to the idea if I could get to lots of good gigs and clubs most nights of the week though.
whats that all about I live in the country I hadly ever see a bus and then there are loads of the fuckers every where in london....
Its got the largest variety of different 'scenes' than anywhere else.
The architecture on the rich people's houses like in Chelsea and Regents Park is stunning.
And its warmer than it is up here. I can't think of many bad things about London, apart from the fact I'm not there.
Also: not everyone knows eachother.
Close the door on your way out.
the rest is either stressful, inpratical, overpriced, spin out or full of cunts pushing you into traffic because they REFUSE to wait another 5mins for the next tube.
and its good things, just like most things in life.
I have thoroughly enjoyed my last few visits to the capital.
russia is awesome
either, now you mention it
i wouldn't want to be anywhere else.
when you've got definate plans. But getting black bogies really isn't very nice.
I've ever met live there. Not only have they never really been out of London, but there are entire swathes of the city that they've never been to, not even out of idle curiousity.
I've been coming/working/playing to/in London fairly consistently for the last 4 years or so and basically how it would go is that at first I really liked it, then I would alternatively love and hate it every time I go, and now I've just lost my way with it.
The thing is, I find it overhyped, overated, expensive, dirty, cramped, rude and just generally not very nice.
Mostly my reasons for going there were to go to gigs the "Glamorous Norwich" as someone put it didn't have and, i've only enjoyed two (the first two, incidentally, shows I've been to there) shows which were: Modern Life is War at the Barfly and Cave In at the Garage (RIP). Since then, every gig I've been to in London (apart from a couple at the Underworld) has been awful, all the venues have shit sound and nazi staff and overenthusiastic - or people who are there because its a gig and they can but are going to talk all over the bands and not give a shit about anyone else - (this was a big thing on friday, particuarly the shit sound and nazi security/rules). Some of my favourite bands i've gone to see in London have just suffered and died because so many london venues have tall ceilings where the sound just drifts off into the air and people incessantly talking and being rude.
On top of this, despite what many Londoners seem to think, London is not the be all and end all of the country/world. In Glasgow, where I live now, we pretty much have the exact amount of shops both chain, boutique and independent, for music and shopping and yet in a much more friendly, attractive, CHEAPER and with just generally nicer people. I always get this feel from listening and talking to Londoners that they have this massive arrogance that they are the shit and that everything else is inferior (that comment about Norwich someone made is breathing evidence).
London is simply too big to sustain itself in my opinion. There is no sense of community or achievability because its so big and there are so many parts, where as Cities like Glasgow and Birmingham manage to both be big but also still comunity based and lacking pretension. An awful amount of people who live in London are impossibly fake and arrogant and I just don't buy it.
I would rather live in a city that is big and varied and full of opportunities, but, is far more consistent (in people, and architecture, and cost of living) isn't over-cramped and over-polluted or over-hyped or pretentious.
You just have to have the right mindset.
Then again, maybe it's because I'm a Londoner...
P.S. There are cities in the world much bigger than London, and last time I checked they managed to sustain themselves pretty well.
the wrong word, there's just no feeling of community or way to connect with anything.
jesus, there isn't even a music scene, I can't name a decent band actually from London since like The Who
I'm interested by "the mindset" because I do think you may have a point, but all i've seen so far is posh kids being arrogant, is that what I have to do?
give me one good London band recently
first album at least, *apologies*
if you're into dubstep or drum'n'bass then there's really no other place to be than London. Burial, Skream, Hatcha, Kode9, etc. all based in London, as are FWD and MDZ, THE dubstep nights.
I'm not even going to bother trying to list all the good London bands but that's irrelevant anyway, any band that gets anywhere at all has to play London at some point, so to say there is no music scene is a bit ridiculous.
theres too much of the fucking stuff
really? you believe that?
have to establish themselves in London to get noticed, that's a no brainer and I don't have as much issue with that, but hoenstly, I can't think of any interesting bands that have actually been produced from London, only surrounding cities (mostly Oxford) and moved in (and yeah, I guess by that I mean guitar based rock and everything that falls under it)
I think its a pretty good example/metaphor of central London as a whole, in that, some of it is really interesting and amazing, but simultaneously, has perhaps become the most pretentious and fake part of London
and london is a better place without you
about London. It can be rude, dirty, impersonal and certainly overpriced (even taking into account pay differentials).
But like 80's Kid points out, it's really a collection of towns and scenes each with their own character. And that's the beauty of it really - finding a scene that fits your mood. If you don't like hipster central there are plenty of nearby places for an entirely different vibe - where genuine communities do exist. Central London as a whole doesn't really have an identity in the same way as the inner (or even outer) suburbs do. It's worth bearing in mind that vast numbers of people in the centre don't live here - it kind of goes with the territory, for better or worse. Personally I love the way you can enjoy the kind of isolation that allows you to create your own identity, and still slip into a more community feel should you want it. Boils down to familiarity with the place I guess.
But yeah, the Forum has a shit sound - as do most 2500+ capacity venues imho. Bad luck if you've experienced crap sound at the recent gigs you've attended, but it's far from the norm.
can you give examples? Like New Cross or Hackney or something else?
Neither of us are, at the last time of checking, pretentious/ fake cunts, and we have a ruddy brilliant time.
Fantastic cultural diversity, cheap (there is a common misconception that things are expensive in London), great nights out(though why anyone would, like the chap up the board a bit, suggest Old Blue Last as an excellent night out is beyond me), great walking and wandering spots all across the city, and brilliant restaurants on pretty much every corner - I love it.
Add to that the plethora of free cultural exhibits and it pisses over other towns and cities in the south east.
always has ace bands playing in there, more often than not they're free of under a fiver. If you ignore some of the more idiotic people who go in there it's a really good place. I've never had a bad night when I've been in there.
it has the worst-tasting lager in any pub of London.
And as the place is a pub first and foremost, and the beer quality is a pretty key criteria, I think I'm justified in calling it a fucking grotpit.
I really didn't feel much about it, but I'm not judging it on much, so OK
You are the weakest link. Goodbye.
"London is simply too big to sustain itself in my opinion."
WTF are you on about? No-one gives a crap about your opinion. Tit.
I love London.
I live in Bristol (which I also love) and every time I take a trip to London it feels like a special holiday. Depends what you get up to when you're there, I guess.
that Glasgow has all of those things.
and is less manic
but it's not for me.
i like going to london once or twice a year for special gigs and stuff, but it'd kill me to live there.
i spend a day in london and have about 10 spots the next day (i only ever get spots when i go to london, promise). everything is dirty, everyone in the streets seems to be rude/doesnt give a fuck where they walk or if they elbow you in the gut/smack you upside the head with a bag.
it's too insanely busy and dirty and smelly. leeds is the right kind of busy for me, hectic but not stressful, and nowhere near as big/impossible to find your way around.
for what makes a place good or bad must be wildly, wildly skewed.
though i live in leeds which is pretty amazing.
Just glad i don't live in bradford anymore
But i hate it too. It's too big, there are too many people and every 2nd person in the street looks like they came off a spaceship. Seriously. It's a weird place filled with mutants. Nuff said.
Check and mate, my yokel friend.
Keep us in the loop yeah?
I love it when people make blanket statements about a place as huge as London. ALL of London, and everything in it, is shit. There are places that are awful obviously, but if you couldn't find one area, person, or thing in London to enjoy, the problem lies with you rather than the city.
I remember meeting a 'played a lot of footbawl in College'-type Yank when I was backpacking, who was going on and on about how beautiful Khazakstan was. I asked him how long he'd been there for and he answered '6 hours'. Khazakstan is the 8th biggest country in the world or something. You remind me of that generalizing nonce, but in reverse.
I know my innflamatory opening statements is hardly professional but then, this is the drowned in sound forums
Would hate to live there. Would still be in my top ten world cities I have visited.
Would hate to live there. Def an amazing place on every scale other than "places to live"
but the archiecture can vary massively between cities
or even certain parts of Glasgow? They're all very distinctive from the rest of the country city centre wise in a very similar way.
I live in Hatch End, which can be found in the London Borough of Harrow. Its population is made up mainly of Daily Mail reading pensioners. Arrogant, pretentious, scenester pr!cks -- the lot of em.
great for live music, but that was about the only thing I liked about it. Wouldn't go back unless I was being paid a big fat wedge to do so.
a little on the nose don't you think?
You've never even met me or know anything about me and then this. wow.
For the record, I agree about Byres Road, what's your point? that's one road.
It would seem it's a fair point seeing as you've dismissed the entire city based on coming down to Camden or Brick Lane for a couple of hours to see a gig.
I've been to Glasgow more than a few times - but each time I was staying in Milngavie or Bearsden. Is it therefore fair and accurate to describe Glasgow as a affluent middle-class paradise?
I've been in many areas of London and have had similarly disappointing experiences where ever I've gone, I said that from the start.
All I'm really saying is "I don't get the hype, so what's wrong, where should I be looking?"
but I like London and I've thought about moving there many times.
Visiting London always feels like an adventure. This is probably because I only go there to visit people or go to a gig, either way I'm always going to have fun! I think this would fade very quickly if I lived there, but I'm envious of the cool stuff that happens there: gigs, exhibitions, olympics etc.
why do we get all your tramps?
End of thread.
the city allows me to feel a sense of wonderment and bewilderment on a daily basis. As do the people that live here.
My rural past had some good things going on but there's no beating the sense of confused joy that you get when you come across a random, unexpected, frivolous bit of city.
I like exploring and London is a big old place to do it!