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just its original form, which could never have lasted
because bands like snow patrol are massive
and i liked em when i saw em randomly at itc
hes like micheal moores dumb punk cousin and i think moores dumb
the new sum 41 album will really put punk back on the musical map
That was a pretty punk thing to say
I'm not sure that it was even alive to begin with.
When you look at it, the "social movement" described as 'punk' could easily be applied today to 'chavs' or 'townies' or whatever you want to call them - they're disaffected, antisocial, glad to be part of a subculture, often cause trouble including violence and listen to music which the vast majority believes isn't very good.
But anyway, three chord, heavy rock isn't dead, it just isn't like by as many people as it once was.
The anti social and violent aspects of punk was only a part of it that was picked up by the press, and certainly didn't apply to most of the bands at the time.
The key difference between punk and chav is that chav appears to have no creative input or desire for change - the word "movement" (in it's literal sense) doesn't really apply.
You've got to remember that a lot of them were just riding the coat-tails of a movement, looking for an excuse and banner under which to create violence and intimidation (not to mention the racist element which grew up with the skinhead movement).
Perhaps this was the true 'punk' movement - there's no real demarkation.
I'm talking semantics really here. But still, I think the violence/antisocial part was very much intertwined with the music.
that in common with a lot movements there are the cliched stereotypes that a lot of the fans (and the no mark johnny-come-lately bands) adopt. In the case of punk that was gobbing. But most of the bands hated it, and didn't indulge themselves. Even in the pit at gigs where you did see it it was hardly the gob storm you might have expected. I really don't know about the 3rd wave of punk bands/oi, because I wasn't interested in that stuff.
The racist skinhead thing was almost entirely separate from the 76/77 scene. The punk movement was strongly aligned to the Rock Against Racism thing. When Sham 69 picked up a violent skinhead following he totally condemned it.
Dunno - maybe I'm being too picky in differentiating between punk and the skinhead/Oi scene. Like you said - semantics.
Punks just seem like hippies with the ATTATEWD of rockers.
i was walking round in a limp wrist t shirt today. im so punk.
Maybe the original reason it came about is, but it can change targets while keeping the same views or gaining new ones. Which it has done.
David Berman, Silver Jews "Tennessee"