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I can imagine that even the most ardent Christian might get a little narked if you were to parrot everything that they said, word for word.
but you don't need to respect the belief.
In terms of what many religious people/alarmist newspapers think respect is, no.
get bummed by, no
One of my Freshers asked me the other day if I was of any 'religious domination'. Pretty lol.
with special guillotine
piss out of all of them mercilessly
I'd like to say yes but ultimately if you think someone's beliefs are completely stupid then there is a chance that if you voice this they will get upset and this would be perceived as "disrespecting" their beliefs. I think you should be able to voice this.
I suppose as long as you don't express hatred it's OK.
I mean I think you should respect it to an extent but I think it should basically be treated the same as someone's political beliefs or any other belief they have.
I don't think there's any reason why it should be okay to take the piss out of someone's political sensibility but utterly wrong to do the same to their religious sensibility.
Not at all. And anyone who says otherwise surely cannot understand the implications of what they are saying. If somebody says to me "I believe I can jump 10 feet in the air", should I respect that belief? No, clearly not. It's a fucking stupid belief. It merits no respect at all. If that belief were tied into some religious system, why would should I give it any more respect? Nothing has changed about it other than the fact that it is now associated with a religion. That's not a reason to respect something.
As somebody has already said, we should all respect people's right to believe what they want, but if you're willing to respect the belief itself, irrespective of what it is, you're as stupid as they are.
If you replace the words 'God' (or 'jesus' or Mohammed or whatever) with 'the little imaginary voices in my head' then the world starts looking like a much more fucking scary place (Especially US politics).
There are some people who manage to have religious beliefs and yet also to question them and consider alternatives, but I think that they are in the minority because most organised systems of belief champion the idea that they are right and questioning the system is wrong. The consequences of this for the progress and enlightenment of us as a species are terrifying.
Religion is a major drag factor on a society. Why bother trying to improve the conditions of the world you live in if you believe you are going to have an eternity of perfect happiness when you die?
the wars caused directly (Crusades) or indirectly (gulf wars) by religious differences.
The repression of freedom of expression and rights for women in fundamentalist Muslim countries and some fundamentalist Christian communities.
etc etc etc etc.
There reaches a point in everyone's personal development when they have to let their imaginary friends go.
You've got one in your title - what is your source for 'atheistic wars have killed far more people'?
at massacres of jews / Catholic vs Protestant wars / Spanish inquisitions. It's no good just saying 'secular wars killed more' (even if you can prove this is true, which I doubt) - religion has been a cause for great suffering.
And my statement about human progress is hardly spurious:
All researchers into human anatomy from Michalangelo to the victorian era
Stem Cell Research etc etc etc
Almost all scientific and philosophical progress has been hindered by organised religions. If you don't believe me, go back in time a few hundred years and publish a book about how the earth goes round the sun. See how that works out for you.
who raided bodies in the middle of the night to dissect them because the religious culture in which he lived frowned upon and forbade that kind of thing.
Anyway your last response has made me query exactly what we are arguing about. My contentions are as follows:
1) Religion has been the direct and indirect cause of wars and suffering
2) Religions can be (and in most cases are) a 'drag factor' on human progress because they forbid research and enquiry.
3) If someone has a religious belief I am not obligated to respect that. If you 'believed' that the universe was ruled over by the cookie monster I would think you were insane, so why should I nod blandly when you tell me its some tri-partite creation of a long dead nazarite, an ineffible force and a ghost?
I will defend anyone's right to have religious beliefs and I will defend my right to mock and challenge them.
there vikram. The 'aetheistic' attrocities you have mentioned have mostly been 'non-religious'. Yest 'nationalism, facism and communism' have killed a lot of people but they haven't done so BECAUSE they were 'atheistic'.
I'm not ragging on cars either but cars kill a lot of people, so what?
RESPECT IS EARNED.
I enjoy disrespecting people's religious beliefs. Why shouldn't I? Religion has and will continue to make the world a shitter place. Fuck it. I've got no time for people moronic enough to 'have faith'.
to bother with any form of insight so...