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and was it cool?
who called my toes "foot fingers"
with a half Norweginan half French girl and she called feet foots.
tried to put a spell on me when we split up. It was fun during that month however.
Does Welsh count?
then English counts for me. Hurrahs all round!
it wasn't too serious as she was going back home three months after we met, but those three months were really nice.
or have i just made that up?
It was alright. Can't say the foreignness enchanced or detracted from the experience.
a Colombian girl.
and an Australian and a Kiwi....which weren't REALLY proper going-out things.
But I wanna count them
it was ok
doesn't make you your girlfriend.
I don't get to do fun stuff like this
for 2 and a half years. Most of which was long-distance. It wasn't much fun in retrospect.
Good, but crazy.
I almost slept with an Iranian once. Does that count?
(the correct response is: Iran away)
im not biased
nothing serious. Never felt comfortable about the fact she could speak my language exceptionally whilst if I could manage JE VOUDRAIS UN CROQUE MONSIEUR I'd feel pretty bloody proud of myself
you will automatically seem about 3 times more interesting than you actually are, and if English is their second language, this can easily be blamed on awkwardness in dates/you talking shite.
/*when you are talking shite
Finnish. It was ok.
It was not cool.
I've actually never been out with non-foreign girls. English, mostly, which was cool.
australians are great though, she must have been a bad one
and thumbs up
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she was a mental though so it wasn't that great.
A Scottish one who is pretty ace.
she used to shave one armpit.
Je vais prener mon manteau ...
he didn't have a very french accent though. he was (and still is) lovely.
That's as far as my stories go.
She was a cunt.
it was awesome obv
is foreign anyone who isn't english?
and to date have kissed, slept with or dated boys from sweden, iceland, france and iran. an american too but his accent wasn't very sexy. one of them was in a rock band. i am cool.
a Spanish girl and a Morrocan girl and 'done stuff' with an Italian girl and a Swedish girl. Swedish girl was definitely my favourite.
so I'm bound to have scored occasionally, law of averages and all that.
fuck this, I'm going to bed. Alone.
during my last year at school. She was over to learn english (she didn't speak it at all), but we ended up speaking spanish all the time. Helped my spanish no end! Ended up finishing it, something to do with her wanting to come back (after only 3 months of going out) just cos of me. I didn't feel the same way. She was hawt though. Made my going into school pretty awkward the monday after I pulled her.
An american girl, for around 8 months.
She was cool in a way, not so cool in other ways.
was half swedish, half turkish, with an american accent. Turns out she was a lying bitch too. </bitter>
it was super cool. No but really. YES a lot more fun than boring norwegian guys.
Had a short fling with another kiwi girl a few months after that, and then there was a third kiwi girl, a German and an American I've had extremely short 'flings' with. With mixed results.
I'm basically unable to find someone attractive unless they're foreign now, which is kind of annoying.
Sorry to tell you this, but the British Empire fell apart. Yeah, it was terrible.
Foreign is a word meaning something not from the place you are from, and is usually used in the context of nations and countries. It usually has nothing to do with language. Why does the language matter?
I'm not getting something.
What am I not getting?
Aussies, Americans, Kiwis and Saffas included. Strange.
It's nothing to do with accents. Someone is foreign if they're from another country. That's what the word means to me and I'm sure most people in this thread. It doesn't matter what accent they have or language they speak.
I'm not sure how else you're meant to know someone is from another country until you hear them speak, unless you know them beforehand. And you also seem to be implying that people from New Zealand, Australia, Canada, the USA, etc are culturally the same as British people, which is patently not true.
- Severe inferiority complex, especially when compared to Aussies/Australia.
- Self-deprecating humour.
- Generally not very fashion conscious a people (unless you're in and around Cuba Street in Wellington, or bits of Auckland).
- Quite laid back, and take a wry view of life. Not prone to much stress.
Those are generalities, of course, and people are individually far more than the sum of their particular cultural quirks.
This also ignores the fact that even if they seemed like a culturally British person they'd still be foreign. All foreign means is that they're from a different country. Accent and personality are all completely different issues which may be affected by that fact.
even though foreign means, from a different country and all.
I would be a foreigner to a kiwi.
look up the definition of foreign.
It MEANS someone from a different country
they're foreigners because they're from outside the UK. No one in this thread is attaching any negative or xenophobic associations to this, they're just saying that they've been involved with someone who's from a different country. Why should an aussie be offended at being labelled foreign? I was well aware of being an outsider when I was in New Zealand recently and it wasn't something that bothered me. It seems to just be you who thinks that someone being foreign is a negative thing.
when I lived in Australia.
I wasn't upset.
I've never heard anybody, of any English-speaking country, use foreigner in the way you are, or have them consider it offensive.
And yes, I've called foreigners foreigners before. Nobody batted an eyelid, because it's not an offensive term and never has been.
It's clearly anyone from another country. Similarity of customs isn't really an issue. No one is being racist to say that anyone who is not British is foreign. The Irish are foreign too.
It's a given that the differences between all our various cultures are very slight, however.
Are you implying anyone who speaks English natively is not foreign?
recently and lived in one.
Yes. They are foreign places.
I eat foreign food all the time as I'm sure you do. I will happily watch subtitled films if they're good.
There are a great many cultural differences between Australia, NZ, SA, USA and Canada that make them clearly foreign places on all kinds of levels.
And just to make it clear you can check this link:
(the '+' will break it so you will have to cut and paste) but it states:
Noun 1. foreign country - any state of which one is not a citizen; "working in a foreign country takes a bit of getting used to"
I'm sorry you see 'foreign' as synonymous with hatred, mistrust, dislike and racism, but those are YOUR prejudices you're bringing to the table not ours. You come from a foreign country and, as such, we welcome you.
racist little oiks and of no relevance to what constitutes foreign.
Perhaps you can tell me why it is fine for you to tar this forum with the same brush and purely because you were on the receiving end of some narrow minded idiots.
Northerns and Southerners spend enough time behaving that way to each other and frankly neighbours have got to hating one another when they've grown up in the same area.
All else aside, your quotes are actually free from any racism at all. They simply imply dislike and just because you didn't have any contact with them doesn't mean they're not going to take against you for all kinds of reasons known only to the complete cunt.
NOTHING changes the fact that you seem to be implying that anything foreign is to be distrusted and disliked. You're getting upset about this because you implying 'foreign == bad' in the first place, which isn't a view I think this site has ever promoted and certainly not one the vast majority of regular members go around spouting.
Yes, some people will have British citizenship so they're not foreign by that dictionary definition. But that's an exception and is corrected. The use of 'foreign' instead of knowing the exact country of someone's birth is fairly slight, anyway. I wouldn't call my girlfriend 'foreign', I'd refer to her as Australian. Nor would I say my friend David is foreign, he's French. So the chances of it being used in precisely the context you imply is slight.
Further, someone might consider themselves foreign to the UK if they (say) spent all their lives in Venezuela but happened to have British citizenship via a parent.
Really what are you arguing here? I ask you honestly because your initial claim seemed to be that one can't call someone from New Zealand or Australia foreign. However, we've just established that you can via a series of dictionary definitions.
No it doesn't. You have a definition of 'foreign' that you likely only share with about 0.0000001% of native English speakers.
because we see them on TV pretty often but it still doesn't mean that it isn't culturally quite different than your own country of residence.
is there anywhere in the UK for instance that is anything like the state of Texas? I spent a month in Austin and I'd say it's pretty gosh darn different than anywhere I'd been before.
Foreign is only offensive is you are using it for someone who lives in your country with a heritage from another country.
If you are actually a non-permanent resident visiting in a country then you are a foreigner to those of that country. end of.
are airports offensive for having a line for domestic and a separate line for 'foreign' arrivals?
If a man from America moves to the UK, and he's lived here for two years, he's still a foreigner because he's from another country. It's not offensive. It's not a compliment. It's a linguistic fact.
Just moving to another country doesn't stop someone being foreign. And that's not a bad thing, it's just a definition of what they are!
Have you ever BEEN to Berkshire? Apart from the fact that Slough has the UK's largest Sikh community (which predominantly consists of people descended from the Indian subcontinent), it's hardly the kind of places you see on Midsomer Murders.
And secondly - haven't had any experience with people of other nationalities? Hmm. Your opening post that started this discussion was in reply to my saying I've had relationships/flings with kiwis, an American, and a German - which, last time I checked, were all different nationalities. Let alone the fact I consider myself well travelled, being American by birth and British by heritage and having split my life between the two. And not withstanding I've just spent the past three and a half months split living between Cape Town and Wellington, respectively.
If we're talking experience with nationalities (and, indeed, races), then I score pretty well on the diversity front. And why the hell is that even an issue anyway?
Foreign doesn't necessarily mean unfamiliar unless you yourself are ascribing it those connotations, which you also seem to be assuming must be negative (and why should something unfamiliar be a negative anyway?).
You had bad experiences with a few wankers. I apologise for them, but that doesn't mean the word "foreign" is at all negative unless it's barbed that way. And I have never, ever come across that in any corner of the world.
I have a wanderlust, and enjoy seeing the world and experiencing new things, being taken out of my comfort zone. I also happen to have a thing for women from other countries who have things that are unique about them (even if it is just an accent) that marks them out as different to what I'm used to. They're just different parts of my personality which is largely dissatisfied with getting into a rut. That's not ironic.
Sorry if I've become a little bit terse, but you have accused me and others here of being xenophobic for absurdly spurious reasons.
i am a foreigner to most of you. you're english, i'm not. i would be more offended if you denied my foreignness because i speak english and live in the uk, than i would be if you call me foreign. because that is what i am, seeing as i live in what is to me a foreign country.
That's irrelevant. The point is she's from a foreign country so she always will be from a foreign country. That's what the word means. There's no statute of limitations on this.
but by your logic i'm not a foreigner as i'm fluent in english. to me that is a far more offensive view, as i was born and spent the first 20 years of my life in one country, and no matter how long i live in another country, that's not going to change. if i had been born in a country which was not the same as my parents had been born in however, that would be something completely different. i hope you can see the difference between the two.
And regardless, those are completely arbitrary time limits. Why not two years? Why not two months?
Someone is a foreigner if they're from a foreign country. That's it. It is NOT an offensive term, and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who'd think it was.
I honestly cannot see how you've reached this bizarre conclusion.
no one is saying that anyone with a 'funny' accent or different skin tone to the ethnic majority of that country, is necessarily a foreigner. they might be, but then again so might people like me who are white and fluent in the language spoken in the country in question. obviously the view you're promoting there is offensive and racist, but none of us were promoting that view in any way.
most people don't actually see it as a negative term! an english person is a foreigner in other countries, including where i'm from even if the cultures are really similar. it's simply a definition and neither i nor anyone i know sees it as offensive or negative in any way. the only way it could possibly be offensive is if people say stuff like "these bloody foreigners coming over here taking our jobs..." etc. but then it's not the word 'foreigner' that's the offensive part of it, it's what it being said about the foreigners. you see?
They are foreign. That is what the word means.
It's nothing to do with boxes. IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE, ACCENT, OR HERITAGE. It is purely to do with accident of birth, whichever national borders you started within.
It's not a term of abuse, because no word is ever intrinsically offensive. It's only offensive if it's used in an offensive way. And foreigner is not used offensively, not by people in this thread nor by society at large, probably because all the things you're talking about already have perfectly serviceable terms of abuse relating to them.
and i just explained why that is wrong.
SO NO, AS ALREADY ESTABLISHED BY DICTIONARY, YOU ARE NOT FOREIGN.
That does not change the fact that my Austrlian girlfriend told me last night (when I mentioned this thread) that she was proud to be a foreigner over here.
It also doesn't change the fact that being 'foreign' is NOT the same as being bad.
Pocketmouse has a new rival.
I'm hoping she understands my sense of humour. I have trouble with British people taking me too seriously sometimes, this probably won't be good.
and a Scouser.
First few weeks consist of me having to put up with bad accent imitations and quotes from Lethal Weapon 2.
That sounds familiar...
did you spot it?
says that Lethal Weapon 2 was the one with Katsy Pensit in. Therefore, are you a South African?
I don't know what that means. Most people are from somewhere, do you mean someone with poor english skills? Jarvis cocker's wife is french and speaks not a word of english.
and she went mental when i said she was half cast. it's pretty racist i think
IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS. "Alright, calm down foreigny".
But spent a day with a Canadian and a day with an Australian. Of course it was fine. I'm still friends with one of them.
everyone who replied seriously can kill themselves now.
That's about it, really.
Some were good, some were bad, some were amazing, some really needed to pick up their game, some were impressive, some were so fucking lame they needed a lesson in 'How to be a man 101'.
I don't think it really matters where people come from. It's about the individual, yes?
Oh - and an American. That was another story.
but i went to The Brick Lane Thrift Store today, it was pretty good and everything was about £10. You know the little street you have to walk down to get to Beyond Retro? If that street is on your right, its the street on the left.
i wish i had though, foreign girls are 85% cuter than english girls
its actually http://tinyurl.com/65wmc4
From now on I'll never go to the dentist and buy a lovely curler for my hair <3 and def change it to another colour. Think that'll do me good?
you're beyond help i'm afraid. i intend to marry the above person, even though i can't aford her.
ahh best of luck to you then! Let me know if she has a twin brother will you!
he'll be mine as well!
she wont know who the babies father is then!:( sad sad
you dont even know of how many babies you have out there
eh? eh? i'm always nice!
:D you're always nice. True. So it's not you! - YET
but i'm always nice, so it can never be me!
we'll see in 5 years time!
i'll make a note in my gig calender to check on 16th sept 2013 to see if i'm still a nice person.
and while you're at it. Dont forget my birthday either!! (5th september)
does that count?
an article about brothels I read in the guardian the other day. It said that men often phone up requesting a particular nationality, and sometimes have a list of nationalities they want to tick off one by one.
A common drinking game revolves around how many ports of the world they've managed to plant their flag in, apparently.
or i'm foreign. which makes everyone here foreign.
it's pretty ordinary.
My plan was naturally to note all who said yes and exterminate them for crimes against Britishness
Italian or Croat preferred
so you're doubly safe
that Hitler was well travelled.
not in the sense that Phil likes genocide.
and the klaire said LOL hmmmmmmmmmmm
i wouldn't pay any attention to her.
Im not sure yet tho. But a hello or hi is always nice!
finland doesn't count as scandinavia.
the 'core' countries are definitely Sweden, Norway and Denmark.
But Finland and Iceland are also generally mentioned
in that Finland is very culturally different from the other countries.
The Finnish language isn't even Indo-European I think.
which is norway, sweden and denmark, and 'the northern countries' which includes finland and iceland... but i don't think that's a commonly used phrase in english. finland is not scandinavia, though.
I'll go now.
they're all slightly barmy though
he was the worst kisser i have ever experienced.
and I actually think those may have been the only actual 'dates' I've ever been on, the others being more of a 'meet you for a drink/cinema/night out' rather than what I was taught as a child watching tV that a date involved.
So in answer to your question, 'it' and 'her' were cool but 'I', alas, was not cool enough.
girlfriends were foreign. i seem more attractive to foreign girls than english ones. not that i could be any less attractive
or my massive black cock
It ended a bit shitty but he inspired me to do lots of things, like study abroad and get a myspace.
I went out with a young lady who was half Iraqi. It was entirely uneventful and led to nothing anecdoteworthy. Hey ho.
a german and a french. Nothing noteworthy happened aside from usual relationship stuff. Although the German one didn't like jokes about the war.
and yes. it is cool. :)
But yeah I've dated English guys, a few Americans, one very memorable Spanish guy, a couple of Scandinavians and one Swiss guy who was so nice it made me want to retch.
I've only ever had one pseudo-serious relationship though - with a Shoreditch boy, no less.
what should I write about next?