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i was about to do it myself.
Anyway this is gonna be quality, massa into 1st off the start me thinks
poor nick :-(
and other people mess it up for him.
why do i bother?
if safety cars / accidents change all that...
Hamilton always wins when it's raining.
i'd rather lewis won and nick did well, than kimi/felipe winning and nick doing badly.
on the podium, my totally left field prediction.
that's left field at all.....
anyone aside from honda / force india would be no surprise....
when there's still 2 mclarens and 2 ferraris running. It'll take a bit more rain for Piquet to fully benefit from the tire choice but its about time Bourdais performed and the car is as good as its been all season so todays the day.
take out kubica plz
would be watchable if everyone had the same car.
That way, it would be an actual test of personal ability, as opposed to a test of who can spend the most fast car technology.
and the theory just doesn't pan out, the abilities of the team are still a massive part in any success.
is as much an important part - it's what separates it from others - building the best, the fastest car possible. Perhaps budget constraints would be fair, but the car each team puts out it a massive part of it.
those 20+ seconds in one lap - even with the tyre advantage that's great
Hamilton is the best driver in the world. Whenever the conditions get ridiculous, he outclasses everyone.
last few laps of a Grand Prix that I can remember... well, right now anyhow.
made the call?
Wouldn't be surprised if it was Nick, he's very good at that type of thing, experience definitely showing.
Anyhow, just incredible.
I'll watch those last few laps about fifty times on repeat... my brain still can't process everything that happened.
belgium in the wet is amazing. I fondly remember this from 1998: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxr0MOflpYs
He may have given Kimi back the place, but only as a slingshot to get him back ahead - he should have at least waited until after the corner to try overtaking him again. Hope he gets a penalty.
He was overtaken again.
Best F1 circuit of the lot by far
I think Massa is hanging on in there well, but he'll need Hamilton to finish out of the points in a race to get back on top in the title race. Can't see it happening
today - it happens when he's under pressure - the same happened at the end of last year - and I expect to see some mistakes from Lewis in the remaining races. Unfortunately, I don't think Massa is any better in that respect.
they don't show Nick in the press conference.
to go on wet tyres by himself.
Podium = completely earned.
Harsh on Luca Badoer much?
and only about two seconds back from first place.
So what if he's last.
Somehow don't think it'll go so great this time around. I should probably start a new thread though, huh?
Last years really was insanely awesome.
which is why I bumped this.
Means nothing, but yay! I Love Spa <3
think Webber could do well, even Alguesauri looked aight yesterday. Hope Grosjean beats Alonso's fat head into the dirt also.
I'm crying -- seriously. Fisi and Nick <3 <3 <3
SO SO SO HAPPY!!!!!!
Great stuff for Force India. Could have been a lot worse for Jenson, too, Red Bull stuffing up a bit. That said, Button is going to struggle to get points tomorrow and Red Bull and Barichello could score a fair few really.
Wonder how light-fuelled the Fisi is...
But he surely won't be that light -- they evidently have the pace and aren't stupid enough to screw up a podium chance for pole. The sponsors will love the pole - but a podium would be even better. I can't wait for the race tomorrow! Shame Spa produces so much drama - I'd be happy for it to finish as it is. But if Nick could get his first win at Spa... I'd be in tears for weeks. But I'd be delighted with around 4th. ARGH!!! :-D
Fisi - 36
Jarno - 35
Nick - 32
Top 3 - 103 years old!
and I miss world's most topsy-turvy F1 qualifying?!?
Woe is me.
amazing scenes, can't wait for the race tomorrow.
also, great to see Kubica doing well
Decent, but not what you'd expect, is it?
the race will be very interesting. I really couldn't begin to guess who'll win this - maybe Raikkonen, or one of the Red Bulls if they were to get a good start, there's some decent fuel there. Glad Nick has a decent amount in - a podium is definitely achievable.
01 Giancarlo Fisichella: 648 kg
02 Jarno Trulli: 656.5 kg
03 Nick Heidfeld: 655 kg
04 Rubens Barrichello: 644.5 kg
05 Robert Kubica: 649 kg
06 Kimi Räikkönen: 655 kg
07 Timo Glock: 648.5 kg
08 Sebastian Vettel: 662.5 kg
09 Mark Webber: 658 kg
10 Nico Rosberg: 670 kg
11 Adrian Sutil: 678.5 kg
12 Lewis Hamilton: 693.5 kg
13 Fernando Alonso: 684.4 kg
14 Jenson Button: 694.2 kg
15 Heikki Kovalainen: 697 kg
16 Sébastien Buemi: 685 kg
17 Jaime Alguersuari: 704.5 kg
18 Kazuki Nakajima: 706.1 kg
19 Romain Grosjean: 704.7 kg
20 Luca Badoer: 691.5 kg
Surprised to see Barrichello so light fuelled but clearly grid position and an early start was high in their priorities. A bit of a smash up at La Source would be great fun.
kimi fastest lap, brawn 1st car to retire COME ONNNNNNN
They include "Parade Lap" in their 'How long will Fisi lead the race for?' poll...
at least Nick will be remembered as the one who never got a win...
it really does horrible things to my mood. I just smashed a glass, for example. How did he manage to mess that up so badly, ffs?
He really seems to enjoy making things difficult. If he hadn't screwed up that first corner he'd be easily contending for the lead.
unfortunately, people don't tend to look beyond results all that much. Nick screwed a major opportunity here :-(
for Heidfeld to be 5th :-(
If someone was to take over BMW, they'd be crazy not to keep Heidfeld.
I missed it as I was caught up in everything else going on. Crazy few corners that.
I feel sad for Alonso and I'm glad they're getting rid of those spinner thingies. They get on my nerves.
Lost about 6 places. Considering that, he did very, very well - but that doesn't really matter too much at the end of the day.
I'm delighted for Fisi, of course. Probably should've mentioned that.
also Heidfeld, thought he drove really well and I was disappointed not to see him on the podium.
Feel a bit gutted for Alonso and Trulli. Not so much for Button though, he's been getting on my nerves recently.
Say if Fisi leaves Force India for Ferrari, is there much chance of Heidfeld replacing him? It could work well.
Fisi would likely only be there for a couple of races, and they have Liuzzi as their test driver. If Fisi were to leave for a while, they'd put him in for sure.
with Force India on the up, a bit more cash to spend, and Heidfeld likely to be in need of a team if BMW don't get bought out, it could be a good move benefitting both Heidfeld and Force India.
Of course there's a thousand different ways it could pan out, but with Heidfeld and Force India both seen as underdogs (with a lot of potential to be challengers), well, why not?
Toyota might not even be there. Fisi won't get a better seat than the one he has now, I'm sure of that much. Nick's main problem is that he actually has history with quite a lot of the current teams, and none of them seem to be options. I think, tbh, if BMW aren't bought, it'll have to be one of the new teams. I really think he'd be a great choice for McLaren (more so than Kubica or Rosberg), but that won't happen for various reasons.
most likely the new BMW team (if Piquet senior doesn't buy it, in which case it'll no doubt end up with someone guaranteed to be worse than Nelson) or one of the new ones.
I know nymeria and I disagree on whether he should be or not, but Nick's basically seen as a safe pair of hands around the paddock, and none of the top teams need or want that whereas the new ones are going to be after one experienced driver to help them learn F1 and develop their cars in practice (no need to learn circuits and suchlike)
Nick's more than 'safe' -- he's very good. He'd be ideal at a team like McLaren alongside Hamilton - I suspect he's exactly the kind of driver they'd like - and if the history was different, I think he'd be pretty high up their list of candidates. And what about someone like Williams - if Rosberg goes, do they go with two new drivers? Or someone like Trulli or Glock? How would that be any better than Heidfeld? You're totally off on this one.
But he -is- the kind of driver that would be good for them. He's already proved that. So I'm not sure how you can really disagree there.
he's "seen" as a safe pair of hands. Whether you, I or anyone else think it's an appropriate tag or not, that's the common perception of him both inside and outside the paddock.
Also, I wouldn't consider Williams to be a top team these days. Sad, because I loved the old Rothmans livery, but since being dropped by BMW they've become no better than any other midfield team. Finishing 8th twice in the last three years and sitting 6th at the moment but being unlikely to finish better than 5th isn't really the mark of anything more than a standard midfield performer. Even their fourth place finish in 2007 is only own to McLaren being thrown out.
"none of the top teams need or want that". But it's hard to judge top teams - Red Bull and Brawn could fade away in an instant, and that only leaves you with two top teams, that haven't been top teams this year. I took it more as meaning 'established' teams, but still, I think Nick is exactly what McLaren do need.
Probably the best since Australia in excitement terms. I'm a little disappointed that Button's closest title rivals seem to be doing their best to avoid closing the gap by too much - it would be nice to see a tight end to the season again. But I'll happily take FI finding genuine pace from somwhere as a substitute.
Anyway, in MUCH MORE INTERESTING news: the FIA is apparently investigating Nelsinho's mightily convenient crash at Singapore last year. Will be interesting to see what comes of that. Still sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory to me, but one assumes the FIA must know at least something we don't if they're bothering to look into it.
But Alonso seemingly was only in a position to take the lead because Massa drove off with the fuel hose still attached and Rosberg and Kubica had drive-through penalties for pitting too early.