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I CAN'T BELIEVE IT.
in favour of Ferdinand, who is clearly a cunt
Rio is a hero in your eyes?
people might start saying you are racist if you carry on down that path, mart.
he had a Native American following
I'd rather have Stevie G then Ferdinand next in line as well.
John Terry v 11 opponents is it?
DID do well - well, that's fair enough then, my mistake.
You are right on that count...
I think he may surprise people with his ability as captain
Different sport! Superb!
If Rio had been given it, it's not like Terry would suddenly be silent during games. You'd still get Terry's leadership, but you'd also raise Rio's authority up that little notch too
Plus, regardless of whether or not you think he's a tosser, Rio Ferdinand is probably our best player at the moment, not to mention one of the best central defenders in the world
But then, he's not captain for Man Utd, so it's swings and roundabouts
but i'll try not to get started.
terry wouldn't make my england team though.
and he is a massive horrendous, racist, cunt of the highest order.
it's a different thing for club support, but it's the epitome of Englishness to only show interest in national achievements when we're doing well.
or possibly i think that terry's disgraceful behaviour, shoddy performances and culpability in mclaren's reign shouldn't be rewarded with the captaincy.
at any candidate for the captaincy
He isn't someone who starts for England more often than not.
what with his silly no pace and no good performances at the top level.
and to solely blame JT for England not qualifying for the Finals is so short sighted. I think the whole nation laid that blame at McClaren's feet?!
They'll be interested again once we get to a game of importance.
I cheer England players on for that cause - typical Utd fans moaning just because their precious Rio was overlooked by the England MANAGER in favour of someone he believes to be a better leader - end of.
do you think I should?
Imagine a DiS Ceefax - that would be ace. What number page would we be?
you might want to ring in to 606 too...
you're comparing me to White Van Man who calls up and yalls/mumbles/grumbles his 'views' on the state of football and doesn't listen to reason.
Oh yeah, I get jokes...
i'm not placing blame solely on terry. I'm saying as captain he was culpable.
and i wouldn't really want ferdinand captain either. although i think he's done much more to deserve it.
i've said it plenty of times on here, but i'd build the england team around the passing and possession of carrick/barry/hargreaves. with one of them captain.
my main issue with terry is that he's completely symptomatic of the trait for england teams and fans to go for "passion" and drive over any real ability. rio would at least justify being captain by being the best player in the squad, and the only one that can claim to be best in the world.
terry's credentials are based on his supposed leadership skills that won nothing last year, failed to qualify for the euros and reportedly led to his clubs most succesful ever manager being sacked.
around three men including Barry, but you don't think he should be in the team?
It's inventive, I'll give you that.
is possibly one of the best players in the world?
He's good, but...well, I can't see it.
in his position.
he's still england best player at the moment full stop.
if we can keep both of them fit and primed for all the qualifiers, then we'll have half a chance. They do compliment each other well, but in terms of "up and at 'em, putting his head where others wouldn't put a foot, leading the charge" JT just inspires that fire.
i don't want a charge. a charge gets nowhere. i want possession, and ability.
JT can play football as well, which is my point. He's not a Wimbeldon era centre back circa late 80's who just huffs, puffs and hoofs. And, if you think otherwise, then you know you are just being pigheaded.
He can't read the game, he's slow as fuck
because HE CAN read the game, it's rarely a problem.
because he plays with carvalho, who's really fucking good, it's rarely a problem.
it's because of everyone else around him that he is a "mediocre player" is it?
Rappy, come on mate, you are just making yourself look silly now... JT is recognised by his peers/pundits/fans as one of the best CBs in the country, fact.
Anything not to concede a little bit of ground...keep fighting, you're showing a lot of that JT fire you think is so redundant...
way to not concede ground. terry's a good solid defender, but not a good footballer or leader. i don't think he's done enough to captain his country, and so do many others.
you're the one just putting "fact" after unsupported statements in some kind of vain pursuit of victory.
for me terry's everything wrong with england, and why we won't win anything. that's not to say i don't think he has certain merits. it's more that i think cappello could and should send out a message about what he's doing with the team, and change things, and appoint a better footballer as captain. or just go with the italian system.
go ask your man on the street, or Andy Gray, or a journalist from one of the nationals and, being unbiased (most importantly), they would say he is.
JT can ping 50 yard balls to wingers, his reading of the game has saved Chelsea and England on numerous occasions - you are just forever focussing on his negative qualities in a bid to make everyone think Ferdinand is some sort of god?
Again I say, when RF starts thinking he's Messi and trying to step over his way out of trouble, that's when I get worried because sometimes you need to clear the lines.
the England manager shouldn't be listening to your man on the street, or Andy Gray, or a journalist from one of the nationals
as the type of personality that would be influenced that easily?
but you were using the opinions of groups of morons to prove your point (that Terry is a good player).
I agree with RJ - Terry just encapsulates an attitude and a style of play that England should be looking to move away from if they are to succeed.
What a sweeping statement to make on the whole of the footballing media...wow!
Everyone has their own opinions anyway, but know (further down there) RJ is making proper, informed statements on the subject, so we are getting somewhere at last.
I think having players of RF's ability in the team is important, but we need someone who'll put his head on the line on the pitch to glavanize it when things get tough.
RF is suspect to overplaying and laziness at times - they are worst traits to have.
form in the last couple of years has proven he's grown out of those kinds of losses of concentration.
and i agree that we do need someone who can galvanize a team, and be passionate and vocal. but i'd rather they weren't the symbol of england.
terry and rio do complement each other well. in the same way as vidic/rio and carvalho/terry do.
they compliment each other.
To be fair, the symbol of England will be Capello because it'll always come back to him and his decisions.
the symbol of england will be the highest englishman surely. hence it was beckham under sven. then mclaren. now terry?
but the brunt of the blame will lay at the managers door in any case. Beckham was but one man in the team. His ego/world persona was bigger than Sven's but it wasn't his fault solely for us not achieving any silverware, was it?
why, in your line of thought, does it go player - manager - player?
i'm just saying someone as a symbol. the man you think of when you think of england.
it won't be cappello, and it wasn't sven.
terry'll be that man, and that's not the way i want england symbolised.
that if Terry wore an Utd shirt, you would still think the same.
When I think of Englan,d I think of Carlton Palmer anyway, so mkaes no difference to me ;-)
football in a pub with carlton palmer. he's rly tall.
i wouldn't want england to be symbolised by wayne rooney, and he wears a united shirt.
i'd want it symbolised by anderson :D
"Oi, down in front!"
not all that, neither's his passing.
again, two or three years ago, yes, he was a fantastic defender. now he's the rich man's jamie carragher.
ended up believing his own hype and all that.
surely he wouldn't of got anywhere in the world of football?!
Just because Ferdinand does a step over or 2 and thinks he's Ronaldo and ends up gifting it to opposition strikers means he's the best player in the world does it?!
if Eric Young is about.
(when fit, obvs).
Probably some italians, Cannavarro? Nesta? That Brazilian fella with the dynamite shot.
There, i think that's pretty conclusive.
a couple of years ago yes, now no.
King is better than Terry though, Terry Henry said so. Unfortunately for Spurs and England, he's perma-crocked...
no doubt. i was talking bout ferdinand
I was talking about Ferdinand...
i'd have two of those three, with lampard/young/agbonglahoar ahead in a creative three with rooney roaming. and i'd insist on those three getting in front of him to give him options.
i'd try and avoid playing barry. i'd be tempted to play tom huddlestone, but probably just because he's fat and kicks a ball hard.
i have more faith in lampard than gerrard. he just needs a more defined role in the team.
ideally i'd swap lampard for a proper striker. but we have none of those either.
tempted by michael johnson.
but had Steve Sidwell not made the ridiculous decision of joining Chelsea I think he would be a decent choice. As it is he is a season behind now.
would be in the reckoning if he'd stayed at charlton.
or just moved to a more suitable team when he did. I've seen him a few times at West Ham over the past couple of seasons and, when he is fully fit, always looks their best player.
he's very good at tackling, covering the back four and doing those 360 degree turns he always does, but I certainly wouldn't replace Gerrard with him.
we really need someone like deco :( or at least saturday's deco.
his time's clearly gone, but he might still be able to get somewhere.
...he's a lean, mean, kicking machine now...
Hopefully he'll do a smashing job and not be a cunt. I get the impression he appreciates the importance of captaining your national side more than anyone else in the team (maybe apart from Beckham, but he's had his go!)
Lionheart JT can take the flak for England's forthcoming failures. And the last time one of our players was made England captain (Beckham) his performances for United dipped significantly.
you either know absolutely nothing about football ro you've never seen him play a single match, I'm guessing it's the former.
i said it wasn't all that.
ferdinands game is entirely based on reading the game (as is someone like nestas, or to an extent maldini)
terry's is more about his ability to block and tackle.
clearly they're both pretty good at both aspects. but they're not both amazing.
it's different ways of playing and i'm not making much of a value judgement on it. but as a figurehead for a way a team's playing, i'd want my captain to be the technically more proficient reader of the game.
i think both you chelsea fans are being slightly over sensitive. i rate terry as a defender, in the same way as i rate ruud van nistelrooy as a forward. both very good at what they do, but not as balanced a player as ferdinand or, say, fat ronaldo.
as I think that he is the best captain in the sense of motivating and looking after the other players.
But I'm surprised that Rio didn't actually get it, because Ferdinand is just about the only player in the England set up whose position isn't potentially under threat.
Terry might have difficulty holding down a place if an England game coincides with the three months a year that Woodgate is fit.
he ran fast, dummied the keeper and scored, that was about it. He was amazing at it but he didn't often provide much else to the team.
how do you think he always seems to be in the right place a the right time when balls are flying into the penalty area, it's not always a reaction. He positions himself defensively by reading the play and then dealing with it. I can't deny that Ferdinand is probably better than Terry at this moment in time, as much as I hate admitting it. I don't disagree with you on that point. Terry isn't even the best centre-back at Chelsea.
as i've said, my main issue is with what terry represents (passion, tackling, being a cunt) with what rio represents (reading the game, ability on the ball, being ace*)
blapping talk, RJ! :-)
but Terry has been inspirational for Chelsea for the last few years as captain.
i think in part it's a decision as well that might be informed by how they'd both take the decision.
i get the impression that, being all about teh passion, terry cares more about being captain than ferdinand, and that his performance wouldn't be the same if he'd been overlooked.
whereas rio'll probably just get on with it.
good article here:
not even wind you Chelski lot up a bit though? He would me, with his 'Big Man' shtick.
He's a good player for you, I think he gets a lot of stick because he puts himself up for being shot at so easily, but he's top drawer - probably not right in the higher echelons of world class, but has achieved more than many with more talent have just by sheer desire alone. Don't think he'd be in the England team half as much if Woodgate hadn't turned out to be a crock, but that's ifs and buts.
I'd still take Vidic over him though, just because he's a proper mental, rather than just totally lacking in a sense of self preservation ;)
zapsta's little joke.
Good for him though, if it genuinely means that much to him.
Rio is effectively our captain on the pitch these days, and since having the armband semi-regularly has become the best center half in the world, cut out the daft mistakes and won over the faithful. He's most likely the first name on Capello's team sheet, I'd imagine, too. Don't think he needs worry he's suddenly a lesser player than Big John Terry.
first name on the team sheet after his CAPTAIN.
whoever is in goal, right back and left back, if he writes the team sheet down anything like I do.
Though on that basis Rio WOULD be above Terry, because you have to play him as a right sided center back or it all goes to shit.