The Russians have sent their tanks into South Ossetia. So much for the Olympic truce.
They just don't bloody learn, do they?
Caucasus with some of those in the Balkans, maybe we'd get a whole new exciting set of ethnic rivalries and hatered?
we can't have UN Security Council members invading other countries!
theres a disputed zone according to the bbc, and the russians are calling their troops 'peacekeepers'
a disputed zone which was part of the Georgian SSR, which to me says that Soviet Russia says "okay, it's in Georgia" while it was convenient to them for it to be there. all sprung up around the period of independence from the USSR, some nationalism. Russia only really allied itself with the seperatists after the Rose Revolution in Georgia, when the pro-western government was installed. obviously Putin, who's cut from the Stalin cloth of Russian leaders, and his cronies didn't want to lose power, so they allied themselves with it.
i'm sorry but Georgia are in a hopeless situation here, Russia is just going to go in and the West can do nothing (not that it would anyway) because they won't want to upset the Russians and risk losing oil
"Nato, the US and the EU have all called for an immediate end to hostilities."
the people involved were just like 'ok sorry' and stopped doing whatever it was
i think though it would require those countries and organisations to be entirely populated with No Humans
The simplistic version is: South Ossetians mostly have Russian passports and want to be part of Russia.
Problem is, they're not. They're a part of Giorgia.
Not that Russia would give a shit either way were it not for the fact that Georgia's been making noises for ages about wanting to join NATO - which Russia won't stand for.
So now they'll settle it the only way they know how.
to show they were second class citizens
the russians had peacekeepers there before, as they reference a number of them being killed in the recent Georgian bombardment.
shortly after the Rose Revolution....feel free to correct me
But does Georgia have anything worth fighting for? Or even an army?
I will now go to the BBC site.
What's the most massive thing this could eventually cause. A big world war? Georgia losing its independence? Wasted tank fuel?
"Following reports of Russian deaths, President Dmitry Medvedev said: "I must protect the life and dignity of Russian citizens wherever they are," Interfax news agency reported.
"We will not allow their deaths to go unpunished. Those responsible will receive a deserved punishment." "
Imagine this is Newsround.
it broke up, and because "South Ossetia", a bit mostly made of Russians and Ossetians (a rather small ethnic group) had been in the Georgian SSR, Georgia had that part of the country. but they wanted independence, so there was a standoff. this was fine until a pro-west government swept to power in Georgia following a popular revolution. Russia, scared of losing stuff, allied itself with the rebels in order to destabilise Georgia. and now this
I just want worst case scenario implications.
increasingly frosty relations between east and west
leading to stand-off
leading to import/export embargos
leading to oil and natural gas shortages
leading to everything becoming very expensive
INCREASINGLY FROSTY RELATIONS BETWEEN RUSSIA AND US = likely
yay another cold war, just what i always wanted for my birthday
good films out of it.
but they are a russian puppet state
He said 'power'.
have already dropped their weapons and are running with some white flags.
Sarkozy is apparently hidden under the - not that big - dress of our first Lady, miss Carla Bruni who is singing "le déserteur" !
That's just what I was after.
I am genuinely interested in these recent developments, can anyone explain this situation to me?
the noise_annoys household (room) is now at Defcon 3.
I bloody hope we start sticking our big noses in.
Eurovision song contest voting?
'Suppose a largely US area in the north of mexico had US people being attacked and oppressed by mexico, is it not likely that the US would send in troops to protect these US citizens'
and this would be difficult to refute.
Of course the argument would remain about how much the south ossetians are being oppressed by the georgians at the moment or howmuch is tit for tat......this is far more difficult to determine, because different people pay attenton to different timespans of history too......the thing is i doubt if we will know the full story....too far from it
is it Russia supporting the Ossetians?
Russia using the Ossetians
Russia would never do things like that !
the oylmpics, the perfect decoy.
"THATS WHAT VE VANT YOU TO THEEENK".
according to the Swedish news the Russians are evacuating the South Ossetians across the border to North Ossetia inside Russia
140 buses full so far
I wonder what they have planned
but you're the military strategist...
pretend this is BBC World and you're the editor of Jane's Weekly
How do you see this conflict progressing?
Russia's antiquated military machine is barely changed since the days of the Cold War, but one of the few tasks that it is perfectly suited to is steamrolling through Georgia and overwhelming a similarly equipped, but far smaller military.
The Georgians have been incredibly foolish and have played right into the Russians hands, they put national pride before national survival and I fear they are about to pay the price. Putin has been itching for this fight for a long time and what better time to strike than now before Georgia joins NATO?
what would you put that down to? If you don't mind speculating for a moment...
if we take that figure at face value, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that those deaths were brought about by a combination of Georgian artillery bombardment and 'ethnic cleansing' by regular or paramilitary forces.
We know that the former has occurred, Russia allege that the second is also occurring.
It'll be a few days before reliable information from the region becomes known to the wider world.
Ossetian independence perhaps, in the style of Kosovo's recent declaration? Annexing of south Ossetia to Russia? Or simply an uneasy ceasefire with a much increased Russian presence within the region?
settle for Ossetian independence after the
onslaught that they may soon be on the receiving end of.
My fear is that Russia will simply decimate the Georgian military, topple the government, install a puppet regime and declare Georgia to be part of it's security sphere thereby blocking NATO membership or indeed any further integration with Western liberal democratic nations for many, many years to come.
thankyou for your insight
I'm sure we'll be hearing from you again as the situation unfolds
Now over to Tina for the weather...
russia makes a move...
where I hadn't heard the word 'Ossetia' till about a week ago, and now that I have all of a sudden it's all over the place. Is this my fault? Sorry, Georgia.
the day today clip posted earlier, lets spot the differences
that bit did make me laugh a bit, so much for cautious pacifism, the little THE WAR intro was nice as well
the Russians are mental.