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So ClicheGuevera was right?
(from CC website - "The Camp for Climate Action condems in the strongest possible terms the police press release issued 20 minutes ago as a totally irresponsibe stunt to deter people coming to the Camp for Climate Action. To link a 'stash' of knives allegedly found somewhere in the Hoo Peninsula to the Camp for Climate Action is nothing but a smear campaign against us. To suggest that the campers - environmentalists living at a camp serving only vegan food - would even consider hurting a police horse shows the police's press release to be nothing but policial policing," said Ester Davies at the camp when we heard the 'news'.
We have asked Bob Marshall-Andrews MP, Colin Challon MP, Caroline Lucas MEP and Chris Davies MEP, who have already sent a letter to Gary Beautridge to complain about his policing of the event, to investigate this bizzare claim of the police.
Campers condem smear by police. "Last year it was bombs at Heathrow, this year it is knives in a wood, every year it's something, and always, always these crazy stories turn out to be untrue." said Paul Sumburn at the Camp.
We remind everyone that somebody (police?, BAA?) started a similar smear campaign against us last year at Heathrow, reported by the Evening Standard, who we persued through the Press Complaints Commission and won our case. We will vigourously persue any unsubstantiated claims against the camp. We welcome critical reporting. But outright lies must challenged.
I know many people attending this, and I dont beleive anyone of them would do such a thing.
more- the police or joyless self-righteous hippies.
in being a self-righteous hippy. to be fair to them.
to cut up vegetables
OH NO!!! Not the PADLOCKS!
they have permission to camp in the field right?
so why the police presence?
that's more like how a hired security company works
why not leave them alone until the break the law and then clear them all out of the field for breaking the law?
seems more like intimidation to me. Intimidation + overtime plus the chance to bloody a few hippy noses
its crime prevention as well as catching criminals.
a police presence if done right is intended to keep people in check, but not create problems.
that all those police are draughted in there for the simple purpose of routine crime prevention?
so i dunno, but im saying a police presence is sometimes there intending just to prevent crime.
just pointing something out.
CG is running around portraying and defining it like a them and us scenario
it tends to make people thingk there arent any neutrals
from the English protesters who want englands green and pleasent land to stay green and pleasent?
I bet that headline will never appear in the mail......cos it wopuld change some mail readers viewpoint
(Eon is a german company)
to subjugate peaceful protesters, it seems to happen all the time. Also been on demos where there have been off duty police provocateurs trying to get other people to start clashes with the police. Most recent example of this would be the anti George W Bush demo, people I know who went on that were beaten up and arrested by the police for no reason. The violence and clashes between police and protesters seemed to have been started, at the very least in part, by an off duty police officer (see this article in the Daily Mail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1028224/Was-friend-yelled-abuse-police-anti-war-demo-stooge-thug-asks-writer.html ) chanting things such as, "pigs out".
Whatever happened to our right to peaceful protest? Marches get re-routed as to minimise their effectiveness (see anti St Athans Military Academy demo in Cardiff earlier on this year, where we were banned from marching down the main shopping street and instead sent round streets of office blocks that stood empty at weekends) and ever increasing police presence; police photographers, officers lining the streets, snipers and riot police on standby.
the Police in the UK are definitely the most intimidating (it was the MET) because they really are very calculated and co-ordinated and controlled - it's a frighteningly awesome force
Swedish police are all neanderthal nazis with no finesse and they quickly loose their shape
French police tend not to do anything en masse - they have 'special teams' that swoop, falcon-like on the ringleaders and magic them away
I wouldn't doubt a fully hi-tech co-ordinated, military style operation from British police
I've seen it before. With regards to the second comment; look at how many people attend a demonstration, usually around 20,000 to 40,000 people on Stop the War demos in the last year or so. Now the vast majority of people are there for peaceful protest, as is made absolutely clear by the organisers, the demos even have a large number of stewards to respond to any trouble that may occur. There are a few idiots like Ian Bone's little Class War group but that's nothing that the stewards, other demonstrators and hell maybe even a few police officers can't deal with.
The reports I've got from people I know who went on the Anti Bush demo said that to start with it was lively, animated and (as much as I hate this word) "vibrant". However the police started attacking groups of people for no reason after this provovateur and a few stupid anarchists started a little skirmish with the police (which, in this situation, I do not condone) before running off in the way they always do. However the police reacted back by striking out at people at the front of the demo, attacking them with truncheons until they were on the floor, arresting them on very spurious reasons and so on.
The police are, in part, there to create an oppressive atmosphere and try to subdue any protesting that get's too loud, vocal and lively. This can manifest itself through re-routing of the demo or even physical intimidation.
but not something like this.
Granted, there will be a group willing to cause trouble which will be completely unrelated to the main bulk of protestors' cause, but this is almost certainly a minority.
You can't really fairly call this 'violence dressed up as protest'.
I'll accept that once I see with my own eyes the police just targeting the idiots on these demos instead of randomly targeting people when trouble occurs. Furthermore just because there are a few twats who go on the demo does that justify the huge police presence? Another question for you, do you not also think that the massive police presence might be in part the reason for violent outbreaks against the police?
Seeing as I know a bit about this from the other side of the fence as it were.
The police presence at these events is there in a crime prevention and public order capacity. You might have heard of the term "breach of the peace". That sort of thing can easily happen at this kind of event and can easily escalate into something from sections 2 and 1 of the Public Order Act (violent disorder or a riot). Mob mentality sets in, rumours become fact, a docile situation can easily turn hostile and often does, in a matter of seconds. The police at these events are all experts in public order. They have many hours of training and are very well disciplined. Notice how many people get nicked in a confrontation like this compared to the number of people there. Many offences are committed but the riot cops brush most of them off.
The riot cops wear armour, but it doesn't protect everywhere. Whilst the people at the front may look all peaceful pushing up against the officers, there is more than meets the eye. The protesters often will kick at the shin and mirror police self defence tactics. This hurts. A lot. Especially when you are on duty for 12 hours straight and are subjected to it for at least 8. They come away bruised, battered and exhausted.
Now to be fair, I know in these situations it's easy to get rubbed up the wrong way, on both sides. But that happens. I'm also well aware that the majority are there with peaceful intentions. However there is always a minority of folks who just want a good ruck, sometimes these are allied with the cause, sometimes not.
The surprising thing for many protesters is that a significant number of officers at such a demonstration may agree with the message. They do however take an oath. They do their jobs, irregardless of their personal politics.
At the end of the day, police officers are normal people who go to work on an ok salary, get abused a fair amount of the time by the people they want to protect, then go home. They have the same interests as everyone else. They are not robotic machines without feelings, though they can appear to be if required, hence the military discipline of the public order phalanx. This is just to ensure they go home safely to their wives and kids.
With regards to the knives, they may not have been stashed there by the protesters, but it does seem rather convenient that they are there. Perhaps they were put there by a group who wanted to incite public disorder by mingling with the protesters? I don't know the full facts of this. No-one outside the person(s) that put them there and the officer in charge of the investigation at its conclusion knows that until it hits court.