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Expect no wickets this session.
2 catches - one to WK and one to slips. IVE SEEN THE FUTURE
90 runs this session
there's a new ball due
and name that score at 111
then be 7 down by tea
Brilliant, he was definitely the key wicket. Can't see Boucher grinding it out with the tail.
bbc live text is seven levels of bilge
When Dirs is on form he is immense
that one of your wacky co-workers has stolen your computer and posted that as a joke to make you look silly
I have a different opinion to you, no need to be such a bell end
but in this instance you are so wrong that you need telling.
I'll carry on enjoying what I enjoy, hopefully it won't offend you all too much
unless it involves cakes or women in the crowd that Blowers has spotted.
Guess who got told he was presenting in a meeting he didn't know was happening at 11:17?
And have the evidence to prove it
so cheap banter, so cheap.
You are sort of right though, BBC can be great, 1/5 times or so. When it is, it's better n guardian, but i prefer consistency, just like my bowling.
cricinfo is best though.
The others are humourless bell ends
i can see us skittling them for below 300 which at the very least should ensure a bit of a game. and that's all we want hey guys?
just mop em up Jimmy
in comes Nel. Let's hope he gets hit by a few beamers
each slogged boundary and edge through the slips hurts so much
and you can help but think that boucher could quite enjoy facing sideshows medium pace at the moment.
bring back fred - he'll have a shot at a fivefer and then have his fee tup for... ooh, an hour and a quarter before he's called on to bat.
i'm reasonably content, that could've been a lot worse.
but after that dismal batting performance what can we expect?
The fielding has been a bit hit and miss. Some great catches and also some pathetic drops.
Vaughan and Collingwood, prove you should be test batsmen. And if anyone else wants to get a hundred, I'll allow it.
he'll ride his luck get a couple of edges through the slips and be on about 9 from 61 balls, then slowly find his feet and battle his way to a 236 ball century.
we need to try and force a win here becuase we're not going to do it on the road at the oval.
hopefully cook and strauss knock of the 83 run lead quietly and get themselves settled, then we can open up a bit with peitersen and bell.
i still have no faith in vaughan or collingwood. colly's out of touch and it's unclear to me whether vaughan can even see the ball at the moment. after his attack on aggers the other day i'm starting to wonder if he's losing the plot..
Wickets are coming pretty easily and we're not even halfway through the game yet.
we've had 20 wickets already in less than half the test match and batting is sure to get harder as the match progresses.
i'm not making any predictions this time. I'll only jinx anyone.
Does this count as a jinx?
Its set up for Vaughan heroics and a quick fire 50 from Fred, a lead of 350 and a convincing 100 run win with a fiver for Monty.
More likely, we'll scrape a lead of 130 thanks to Jimmy A whacking it and a 'niggledy' 29 from Ambrose, then pick up early wickets and lose when Boucher (tit) edges through 'the gap'.
AJ Strauss 8
AN Cook 61
MP Vaughan 45
KP Pietersen 4
IR Bell 40
PD Collingwood 28
A Flintoff 64
TR Ambrose 50
RJ Sidebottom 12
JM Anderson 24
MS Panesar 0
336 All Out
my most pointless ever posts
or is there a double play at the end?
South Africa bowl inexplicably tidily.
AJ Strauss 40
AN Cook 23
MP Vaughan 103
KP Pietersen 1
IR Bell 16
PD Collingwood 56
A Flintoff 4
TR Ambrose 25
RJ Sidebottom 0
JM Anderson 11 Not Out
MS Panesar 2
..but no-one gets 0, 1 or 2.
you do get some pretty weird looking scorecards, i love them.
AJ Strauss 8
AN Cook 61
MP Vaughan 45
KP Pietersen 4
IR Bell 40
PD Collingwood 28
A Flintoff 64
TR Ambrose 50
RJ Sidebottom 12
JM Anderson 24*
MS Panesar 0
358 All Out
ive broken the internets
snow_brigate, ht27 & GalacticStar3ruption:
AJ Strauss 25
AN Cook 38
MP Vaughan 51
KP Pietersen 7
IR Bell 45
PD Collingwood 29
A Flintoff 36
TR Ambrose 27
RJ Sidebottom 7
JM Anderson 13*
MS Panesar 3
*Anderson awarded not out after 2 out of 3 DiSers predicted this.
I've said it before and i'll say it again, the mean average does not work.
Chef's score :(
how was he out?
Vaughan for a pair? Anyone?
funnily enough given how often the Sky team have said you'll never get Cook out pulling.
Good commentary from Sky there
I'm pretty fucking nervous.
if we get skittled, we'll lose the series and i can't see collingwood retaining his place, and even vaughan would be under so much pressure i couldn't see his place being assured. i kind of want a shake up of selection soon though, give shah a run in the team possibly...
if we end up with a good score and win this test match, i can see the moaners retreat for a while and everything being rosey again in a lot of people's eyes. until the next test, anyway...
if we capitulate, Vaughan'll be dropped down to 5/6, Collingwood'll be out again, Shah or (more likely due to 'allrounder') Bopara in. Possibly give foster a try too, or rebolster the batting with prior (please no)
anyone who says Key should be in gets ignored for the rest of the Summer.
to steady the ship. vaughn to wicket keeper. broad as captain, batting at five.
he's back to his best!
Although, to be fair, he was always going to get half of fuck all.
Pietersen PLEASE play senisbly
than Cricinfo. But not as much detail.
Let's move forward as a side.
he generally seems to know what's best
just completely irresponsible. I'm no longer convinced that Vaughan's captaincy outweighs his batting form in terms of him being picked for the next game.
And, of course, we've got no batting below 5 other than Flintoff, thanks to some absolutely farcical selection.
but now i see no real positives of him being in the team, he seems to lack motivational skills and the ability to TELL PIETERSEN TO CHILL THE HECK OUT sometimes
and the dressing room's clearly a bit divided at the moment. What we need is someone to straighten out the cliques and to get everyone out of their comfort zones - one would almost say a Nasser Hussain-type figure but there aren't any of those around really.
flintoff and anderson seemed fired up yesterday, vaughan needs to get everyone like that. flintoff's spell yesterday at the end was something we have dearly missed, some determination to change the match.
stick flintoff up to 5! collingwood at 7. bell 6, ambrose 8.
i got a bit overexcited. still, he should be above collingwood at the moment imo.
Keep Bell at 5, have Shah at 6, Flintoff at 7, Prior at 8.
What we REALLY need is a wicketkeeper-batsman who can genuinely bat in the top 6. Someone like Sangakkara. That would solve most of our problems with balancing the team.
and Prior can't wicket-keep to the same standard as Sangakkara.
I was just thinking wishfully
but i'm scared of jinking what could be our only chance.
pietersen to finally show a level head and join him by playing carefully
350-3 at the end of play.
At least vaughan is still positive at the crease, and looks good till he's out (which isn't long admittedly). Plus i arte him as a captain.
Colly looks tortuous when he bats, crap when he bowls (esp for tests) and his previous ace in the hole, his fielding, is suffering due to confidence.
You can at least try Vaughan out at 5 or 6, where on earth can you go with colly?
at the end of this test or it'll get a bit messy.
Pigfoot as the new captain, and head of all cricket
Other people are giving their opinions. You're not posting 'cause you know better than everyone' after their posts. This is the third time you've done it. You've finally got a bite. I hope the smirk is worth it, you shit.
'Hell's yeah!' and then left well alone : )
but these 2 are our last real chance of a decent total.
i refuse to comment about those at the crease. just coming here to admit that my worry about time was a shade misplaced.
major overhaul required at the end of this series. shah in for vaughan and key in for strauss. yep, there, i said it. he's not the same player he was five years ago and he deserves another shot playing for england.
for not shuddering at the thought of key coming back in.
as boycott said the other day, vaughan isn't even performing for yorkshire when he plays for them, so it's quite obvious he is not irreplacable/a shoe in
it's quite sensationalist but i do think we need a bit of a shake up, we have targeted being the best nation in the world (or near that) and we struggle against the best sides but win against the lower sides, and it's obvious we need a bit of change to attempt to achieve that at the moment.
Key = big pile of flat track bullying shit
but now I have to
I'm not talking about county cricket today :(
although I do still rate him as a captain, and he often plays beautifully until getting out.
I think Collingwood's days are numbered although as he's a Sunderland fan and a nice bloke I feel sorry for him.
Other problems we have:
I'm gonna sound like Duncan fletcher here, but we need some pace in our attack. Someone who bowls at 90mph consistently. Unfortunately I'm not sure who that is.
Wicket keeping - WTF - It's basically a big mess
Monty - Very underwhelmed by his recent performances
And perhaps the biggest problem of all. Peter Moores
he won't get his confidence back unless he keeps bowling. And the Oval should be a good pitch for him. If anything I think he needs to bowl LESS of a containing role, he rarely seems to have the confidence to give the ball much flight.
Maybe one or two years down the line Adil Rashid will provide him with some competition, though.
i am glad we agree on the wicketkeeper thing. Although, I actually think it should be Read, he kept beautifully in his last outing, and his batting is improving all the time.
the demon that is Paul Harris is bowling.
during the Headingly test there was some running joke that started by people simplying shouting "Paul. Paul" on the boundary. it went on all day, we were cheering "Harris for England" at one point.
must be shitting himself
first up the wickie. If we can't rely on 6 specialist batsmen to get us a good total, is an extra 20 runs from a batsman-wicketkeeper gonna make a huge difference? Probably not. Would having a wicketkeeper who will catch 19/20 opportunities, and be able to apply pressure by keeping very close in make a difference? Probably. So stop dicking about and put in a specialist wicket keeper. Hell, with a bit of application, they can sort themselves out (Ian healy fr'instance).
Bowlers. lets keep a unit of 5-6 bowlers, and dip into them, none of this flavour of the hour crap. The way tremlett has been treated is disgusting.
Batters. I like how they've kept faith, but a slight rejig is in order. Collingwood needs time at the crease, but not at test level at the moment, it's killing him. Drop him and bring someone else in - not Key, he's had 2 goes, much like Ramps, he's not got the technique for test level. Shah impressed me when he came in, give him a series or two. Bopara as well, though I think he's more suited to ODIs at the moment.
The Captain. I think it could be worth dropping Vaughan down to 5 or 6, see how he copes there - his captaincy is excellent, I think it's enough to give him a chance somewhere else in the order, just not at the crux position of first wicket down. However, the end could be nigh. Who as a replacement though? Cook maybe? Not sure he'd get enough respect, or knows enough about the bowling etc. Plus he's still developing as a player. Possibly Strauss, but only cos there's no-one else.
I agree that we should select a specialist wicket-keeper but I don't see what's wrong with Ambrose in that department, he's a "genuine" all-rounder who just needs to find his feet at test level.
Dropping Vaughan down the order and keeping him in as captian seems like the sensible idea for now, he's batted at 6 before so it shouldn't be a problem for him. Shah is worth a go instead of Colly but I'm not sure his technique defensively is adequate for test match standard, brilliant, innovative one-day batsman though. He'd have to be played down the order in my opinion.
he's a pretty good wicketkeeper, he's just not the best. What's the point? Yeah, i know he's got 200s for warwickshire, but this is test cricket, you don't get shoddy bowlers (shutup pattinson shutup) to pick on while you see off the good uns. It's pressure pressure pressure. Unless you have someone who can average 40+, I can't see the point. Prior potentially could, but if he's gonna drop class batters like ponting or whoever when they're on 13, and see them get another 150, he's got to bat BIG. And he won't, simple as. If he could, he'd get in on batting alone. And he's not.
that read is the man for england.
or foster - he's improved a lot, in the last 3 years particularly.
I am never saying anything on this board directly pertaining to a test match in progress ever again
but just not say anything positive about England
please keep quiet
Everyone shut up
it doesn't matter if you're genuine or trying to jinx Nel, it doesn't work like that.
You say something, England Collapse.
you've got a 50 in you FOR SURE
stop being very positive about England in a deliberate and shame-faced attempt to put the mockers on the England innings.
i'm off. have a fun weekend everyone.
still imagine Shaun Pollock is in the commentary box with fun facial sun-block on?
he sits very very straight, occasionally moving just away from Athers and Nas.
KP MUST play his natural game.
alec steward going mental at the pieman
congratulations to South Africa for winning this test, congratulations on recruiting Pietersen to help you win
i promise to never post in a cricket thread again
i agree with Alec Stewart here, if Pietersen's going to be a great player, and he could be, then sure, keep the natural game, but know when to go ape and when not to go ape. a one-hundred-and-twenty-run lead with the last specialist batters currently in is not one of those times. i mean, he's learned how to play calm at the start of the innings, he just needs to...grow up a bit, calm the fuck down occasionally
he was just playing the way he plays. The way he got to 94. He plays expansive shots from time to time. That one didn't pay off. Every time one doesn't pay off everyone gets on his back. It's ludicrous. No other country in the world treats its sports stars like Britain. He's the best English batsman in either of our lifetimes.
with the fatal flaw
he's the best individual English batsman in either of our lifetimes
but if you'd rather we lose a test with Pietersen playing flashier, more exciting shots than winning a test with Pietersen being more controlled and duller, that's your prerogative, i guess it's just a different way of appreciating sport, and no better or worse than any other
when Pietersen plays aggressively than when he plays within himself.
depending on the circumstances, then that would be a good thing
also, generally he 'plays within himself' when he's not that comfortable, not in-form or just not right. it doesn't really end up as a conscious decision, or doesn't seem that way to me.
(and in the early part of it) he had been making a conscious decision to play within himself, and his and the side's form suffered as a result. Thankfully, he's gone back to playing naturally and has regained form.
I'm quite happy to see him flash out for 0, 20, 40 or 94 when he gets runs as regularly as he does at a very high average. I don't think much more can be asked of him.
what i'm getting at is being able to switch between playing his natural game and taking a step back within the same innings. and not going for a big slog to a defensive field to get your 100 with a 6 would be one thing to do. and yeah, it would have been amazing had he done it but at a time like this, the risk ain't worth it in my book
is playing defensively. I've never thought it was the best policy for anyone in this sort of situation, because it's playing right into the opposition's hands. But when your natural style is aggressive, I tend to think he wouldn't have got anywhere near 94 had he done that.
also, how much can collingwoods 50 be partly attributed to kp taking pressure away, just by being kp?
The old excuse of "Oh, thats just Pietersen, thats the way he plays" is bollocks. You wouldn't see any of the Aussies throwing away their wicket like that in this kind of situation. England will NOT win more tests by Pietersen getting out in stupid ways by "playing his natural game". Alec Stewart is exactly right. He is all ego and arrogance, totally not a team player
Of course I'm going to love it when he smashes all around the park for 150 no off 67 balls, but I'm also going to get very VERY angry with him when he gets himself out playing a glory shot when a steady hand is needed.
He has one style of play, which produces wonderfully exciting cricket at times, but he just needs to calm it down when required. If England lose this test, it won't be because of him (our first 3 are shockingly out of form). But we had a great chance to get back into it, and he may will have blown that
And Australia a far more judgemental place when it comes to fucking over their sportmen and women
if he reigns himself in, he loses everything that makes him such a special talent. Adapting to situations is all well and good, but very very few players are capable of doing it. Lara for example is the best player I've seen, and he always played the same, aggresive cricket. As did Gilchrist, Viv Richards, Sobers... He shouldn't have to carry the weight of a failing batting line up on his back as people seem to want him to do.
(sorry, just seeing if we ARE actually jinxing it)
if I said I think we're going to win this test? Just so Vaughan gets to keep his place.
around 230 will test SA, because Vaughan can just attack attack attack and tempt them into playing shots. Give them plenty of short stuff, men round the bat for Monty, plenty of chatter, loads of appeals, remind them of how they haven't won a series here for sixty odd years. Pressure, they don't like it.