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sooooooooo whos seen it?!
i thought Maggie Gyllenhaal was really good
i keep meaning to reply to your PM but my boss keeps looking at the screen.favourite scene?
joker walking away from the hospital like a child
like canned laughter: as though they really wanted to find it funnier than it was.
I think people lost the fact that it's not meant to be that funny rather than demonstrate how wholly insane the uy is
he was funny.although i dont understand people who clap at films :S
erm did you see a trailer for tropic thunder before it?robert downey jr. looks hilarious in it!
well make sure you check out the trailer for it when you get home.all il say is this.robert downey jr. is black.
Especially at the end when that kid was stabbing him.
and how everything returned to Lao at the end.
Bale's acting is alot finer in this one. And the flipping of Joker's truck looked amazing.
ESPECIALLY the truck flip.when i think about it more and more its actually one of my favourite films.and i know you always get a buzz off a new film that you love but this one genuinely did live up to the hype for me
I just wrote this in an e-mail to a friend about it:
It's a good film. Best adaptation of a comic book I've ever seen. I wasn't that sucked in by the hype, and similarly I'm not that bowled over - the cod-philosophy is clunky as hell. Occasionally the script lapses into labelling the Joker a 'terrorist' when it's clearly for the word's emotional connotations, forgetting that most of the film is actively comparing Batman and the Joker and weighing up whether the former's ends justify his means and mark him as different to the latter. Terrorists (regardless of method or justification) use violence against governments, and both characters do that, so it's a lazy way to play on emotions but an easy way to lose some of the intelligence. It tries so hard, too. And it tries to have its cake and eat it by treating the world of Gotham City as intensely human and realistic, then fills the bits between the faux-Godfather scenes with action sequences that don't make much sense within the same universe, but even when those are forgiveable because they're so damn cool it ends with a slightly-too-ridiculous one that wouldn't even work in a comic...
But what am I saying? This doesn't matter. Heath Ledger is incredible, of course, but I can't help but come out disappointed. Bale's wooden Batman gets annoying, and you just want the purple suit and the crazy lip-licking back on screen because you know you won't be getting that much of it... Just watch the way he makes that pencil disappear. Fucking Awesome.
Oh, and Eckhart is great as Harvey Dent/Two-Face, but I have a feeling they'll be regretting how they treat the character now that Ledger won't be around to carry on the Joker. In fact, you might as well write off doing any more Batman films. They aren't going to top this.
Quite honestly one of the best films I've ever seen, so wrought with palpable tension that rendered the whole film a nerve-wracking experience. That scene with The Joker killing the Batman impersonator was terrifying to say the least.
Just a couple of qualms...
1. They really should have killed The Joker off, it didn't seem right that someone who had commited so much evil through the course of the film was allowed to live. Obviously not by the hands of Batman though, that would have defeated the whole point of the film.
2. Cillian Murphy's appearance felt like an afterthought, his Scarecrow was the highlight of the first film and to have him reduced to a comedy cameo was an insult, considering how much of a geunine threat he was in Batman Begins.
And just one question...Did Harvey die? Batman is taking the heat for Two Face's atrocities so that Dent can 'die a hero' and Gotham can live on in hope. Now I hear Eckhart has been confirmed to star in the third film! WHA?!
i know there was the scene (flash forward) of that memorial thing for him but i dont think hes dead
But really he lived, and he'll hopefully be the main (or one of the main focuses) of the third film. Two-Face is a crazy villain, considering his utter lack of moral code - it did annoy me that at the end he went against the coin toss, because that coin is meant to be such an important arbiter, being entirely 'neutral'...
And they can't have killed off the Joker, he's Batman's arch nemesis, and the film made it pretty clear that they're flipsides of the same coin.
Have to agree though that Nolan must regret not having him live and Joker die. Having said that, I'm glad he didn't let Ledger's death affect the film he wanted to make.
Terrific stuff - there are obvious flaws, but this is certainly one of my favourite films of all time. The sparse score was an excellent move, and really helps build unbearable tension at times.
Come Halloween, almost everyone will be dressed as The Joker though...
My backup this year will be Jesse Custer from Preacher :D
in the hope there would be some sort of joker related thing.but there wasnt :(
Heath Ledger was excellent, not in the least bit "chilling to the bone" but still amazing. i was disappointed about two face though, after waiting nearly the whole film for him to appear, i feel they could've done more with him, and his eyes were too comical to take seriously.
with many flaws though. They basically should have had more joker and had two face on the peripheral and have that scene in the hospital last setting up two face to be the baddie in the next one. Instead they rushed through his transformation so it wasnt really believable at all. One minute hes the white knight, next minute hes threatening to blow some 5 year old away, didnt buy it. Its obvious hes not dead though.
They bit with the two boats was great as was the pencil disappearing and jokers multiple scar stories. The scene at the start, the bank job, was one of the best aswell. The scene in the courtoom with harvey dent at the start was total cheese though and seemed out of place.
Apart from the county jail scene, i mean wtf? they have the most dangerous criminal so they all fuck off and leave one UNARMED guy standing in the cell with him?!! why? Also theyre tranporting Dent and they see a burning fire engine, uhm, should this not send off warning bells, oh no instead they say "hey were gonna have to go that really dangerous route now, we'll be like sitting ducks, oh well off we go..." These things irked me.
Probably the best blockbuster I'll see this year - [and I completely hate myself for saying the following..:] but that's not saying much [/boring twatty film snob]
Ledger was great as The Joker, who worked as a pretty memorable/iconic villain - the black humour & sheer insanity being key. I especially liked the ambiguity of his past, and part of the way the character was so interesting was almost due to a lack of development and insight, if that makes sense - he just stood as this totally manic symbol of evil. The mystery and intrigue made him all the more menacing. Big mistake to give him such a loose ending though, being the real centerpiece of the story.
However, my favourite performance of the film was Eckhart, who was really convincing and compelling in a more understated sort of way. Probably my favourite aspect of that film was the characterisation and development of Dent. Then, they just completely fucked the character, giving a rushed transformation that didn't really make any sense - a really good hero sort of role to suddenly taking to killing children.... riiiight - it was sacrificing integrity in the plot, as a means of getting to a tenser finale - just seems so amateur and wrong. Having the two-face reveal at the end and developing the theme of neutrality & the character as a villain would have made for an interesting sequel. Even if he does return, I think they ruined him somewhat.
Ultimately putting such focus on The Joker and then Two-Face at the end made it suffer from bloated feel of spiderman III. Especially added to the convoluted and muddled plot - though I generally feel the drama was more compelling and well-handled then any of its contemporaries.
Bale in comparison to those two really lacked aswell, which is a shame because he usually has some charisma. And I know you've got to suspend belief and stuff, but at times, I just think Batman looks really amusing and ultra-camp, so it's hard to take it seriously, which the film challenges you to do. And that voice. Urgh.
Stylistically it felt generic and boring, very much like every other blockbuster out there. I wanted Gotham to be darker and more gothic; basically having something slightly interesting visually - something that would've kept more in tone with the themes and central characters.
The soundtrack was good and sparse, kept the tension well, added to Nolan's impressive directing. Infact, I was really thrilled by the last half-hour of the film.
Some boring and expected pseudo-philosophical balls, TERRORIST Joker, "THIS IS POST-9/11 THIS IS POST-9/11 THIS IS POST-9/11" sorta stuff. Although I generally think the needing of a hero was quite well-explored as a theme. The worst was the appalling Morgan Freeman cell-phone resignation "CIVIL LIBERTIES" stuff that was shoe-horned, ridiculous, and really really pointless. And that vision was really fucking horrible to look at, too.
Action was solid but never breathtaking, especially by today's standards, it was a bit average. But I suppose that isn't the point of Batman.
also overlong, despite being paced really well.
How AWESOME was the pencil bit?
what the hell was the point in the scarecrow? - so underdeveloped it was just really lame
why did two-face look so silly? :(
the two boats, & pretty much all the set pieces, were really well thought-out and impressive.
Best review i've read on it, exactly what I thought of it! Do you write for someone?
Reading over that's pretty much rubbish. oh, 3am.
but i'll put in my 2 cents anyways...
i thought it was a good/very good film overall.
i pretty much wanted them to end it after rachel dies and two face is in the hospital bed and bruce vows to never let harvey know the truth. To me it was such a crescendo they didn't need to follow it with anything after and it brilliantly set up 2 face for the next film. at the point where they cut away just as he was about to reveal his face to gordon i was just thinking yes yes yes, perfect way to end, leaving the audience wanting more etc. to just show it a few seconds later defeated the tension they'd just built up and i think that the look of 2 face wasn't that great. if they had left it til the next film they could've spent more time developing it and making it cooler.
after the rachel bit i felt the pace dropped a bit and the whole harvey being won over by the joker to the dark side within the space of a minute wasn't convincing.
other than that superb film. i think ledger was objectively fantastic (despite all the bullshit hysteria surrounding his death) and the score was terrific.
watchmen trailer just before it started, looked alright
film was superb.
Heath Ledger stole the show, you really couldn't take your eyes off the screen during his scenes.
I was a bit annoyed that Bale kept the same gruff voice (when he's batman) he had in the first film, i found that really distracting.
Contrary to what someone said above, i like the fact that Gotham is so plain and dull - it's part of the whole drive to make Batman seem more realistic. I wouldn't want them to go back to the Gotham of previous 4 films before Batman Begins - all of that just seems silly and over the top now.