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This is pathetic. When has appealing to criminals' consciousnesses ever worked to cut crime?
It really scares me, does all this knife crime stuff.
they should be properly armed
It sends out completely the wrong message.
I don't believe for one second arming the police would help in any way.
around where i live people are getting away with whatever they want, and they know they're not going to feel any repercussions. obviously arming the police isn't very important, but the police should have more funding to follow up lass serious crimes, and there should be insane prison sentences handed out
Their purpose to quote the LAPD, should be to 'Protect and Serve'
Obviously there has to be some element of fear of being caught...but frankly the Police are fallible and have been known to overreact and innocent people would be killed.
i'd rather that than be scared to go up to the shops. being understanding of kids who go around with knives, saying their upbringing or class is to blame, is just making excuses for them, and it's a very safe middle class attitude to have. they should be locked up for an crazy amount of time as a deterrent
I think for the most part people don't consider the possible sentence before comitting a crime.
They consider the chances of being caught.
That is what they need to be afraid of.
but it does get me annoyed that people who are more less hardline on crime - people like david cameron, or liberal media - are people who will never have experienced how horrible it it to live with the threat of it
what he thinks!
i will not accept this is a bad man. he looks nice!
"Qatada managed to lug his shopping despite claiming £150 a week incapacity benefit for a BAD BACK — part of handouts totalling £1,000 a month. He also had a rucksack on one shoulder. "
"At one point on his trip, Qatada stroked his beard"
THE CHEEK OF THE MAN! POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD!
Jihad Coke and KITCHEN ROLL OF HATE
welcome to big school
as much as labour are lame, i would rather stab myself than vote conservative.
t'isn't about personal preference
I recognise that the Labour party now isn't responsible for how badly run the country was in the 70's.
Thatcher won nearly 30 years ago and left power nearly 20.
Time to move on.
but i don't think the conservatives could really have done any better/can do better. we need a new political party, they're all rubbish.
The Grim Reaper would be the least welcome person.
Worked for the....past...
Give it a trial and see what happens. If it rises, which it certainly fucking won't, stop it. If it works, stick to it.
Personally I'd condone measures a bit more 'hardline' than a custodial sentence - in my opinion, I think its a bit of a sorry state of affairs when prison is seen as 'hardline'.
But I agree with you a bit.
it should be a lot more hardline
If you're caught with a knife in public the police are allowed to stab you with it (only in the leg). If you're caught again, they stab you twice and so on.
Added to this could be extra penalties for the size of the blade.
and let the problem sort itself.
or some kind of public humiliation
maybe every knife carrier should be forced to wear some kind of stupid hat and general members of the public granted 3 free punches at will
that'd learn 'em
if the youths who are carrying knives are doing it to 'be hard' or little gangsters or whatever then public humiliation is surely their room 101
y'see, in the olden days, part of the deterrent of prison was the shame that it would bring upon you and your family but of course if you breed a criminal class then it becomes more of a badge of honour to do bird or whatever - a rite of passage even
public humiliation is totally the answer
would be that criminals should be able to serve a sentence and then get on with their lives. Punishment followed by rehabilitation.
I accept that many people will think this is bollocks as it doesn't involve people having their foreheads branded.
of stabbing by offering a deterrent to the crime of carrying a deadly weapon
with some kind of mentoring programme where the punished youth rehabilitates himself and wins back his civic pride by taking the steps to become a mentor for the next misguided youth
The current measures don't work.
That'll teach the fuckers.
but what about people who need to use knives for some purpose
or penknives? or swiss army knives?
My friend Maff would be out of work within two police checks.
By the way, he carries a fair few chef knives with him.
If anyone stopped and searched is found to have a knife, surely the simple answer is to give the police more powers to simply stab them with their own knives? Come on! Tut.
Criminals meeting their victims in hospital has proved a very effective tactic for rehabilitation.
are people too? You wishy-washy cunt.
big time lol.
is essential. Otherwise it just happens again when they come out.
Punishment has no place in the criminal justice system for me. It has three roles.
1. Protect the public.
2. Deter people from committing crimes.
3. Rehabilitate those who have committed crimes to lessen the chance of them doing it again.
If you would just be rehabilitated, then you may still feel like doing the crime. The punishment is the real deterrent.
As such 1 + 2 go into a single point.
The rehab/punishment balance is something else entirely. You need to remember:
a) you can't lock people up for ever
b) capital punishment does not work
c) Eventually the people will have to be back on the street. I'd rather they spent thewir time learning a skill or trade or self improving so that they don't commit the crime again.
You can't say that, because its never been implemented in a society like today's.
there being a victim in the first place
but i'm sure i heard somewhere there are more re-offenders of knife crime each year than new offenders, or something like that. So it's worth it.
have conscious thought or not would be a positive direction for this thread to take
I'm going with no. Primal instincts and that; a zombie is prolly as conscious as a.. wolf, or an otter, or an ocelot, or a sea turtle.
poor otters :(
Or being dressed up like Yoda?
the easier it is to think of something wearing a hat, the more highly you regard it's brainpower.
If you asked me to think of an ant in a hat, my face and ass would melt, and I'd be in care for two years or more.
in a hat, you know; you're all relaxing by the pool, dolphin sidles up suggestively out of the water, it is wearing a top hat and monocle. It winks at you twice, parps water suggestively out of it's blowhole.
than an ocelot? Is consciousness a gradual function, one that comes in slowly as cognitive capacity increases? Or an emergent property that's only seen above a certain level of capacity?
In the case of the former, there would be a continuum of consciousness on which you could place zombies, dogs, ocelots. In the latter (which I think I'm tending towards) none of these beasties would reach the required threshold to 'activate' consciousness.
This is a weighty issue and has important implications for zombie rights.
a zombie dolphin would have intact similar midbrain function to a human zombie. Remember that zombification is relatively kind to the older, more primal aspects of the brain.
I wonder if I can get a job thinking about this all day.
the things you're describing are the building blocks of consciousness, but not sufficient to achieve an actual label of consciousness. I stick with the definition of consciousness as metacognition; thoughts about thoughts (so, that ability is itself underpinned by emotional understanding, recognition of the self in relation to others, etc), which I think is a very clear cut thing.
it's like.. you can have most of the ingredients for a delicious pasta supper, but if you're missing a couple of the key ones (let's say pasta) you cannot say that you have a delicious pasta supper.
A better metaphor might be: let's say you have all the ingredients but are missing the recipe. Having the constituent ingredients isn't the same as having a completed dish.
Zombies and their victims: this is an interesting question. Countless embarrassing films and books have been based on vampires 'siring' each other and that. Do zombies love the zombies that they make?
do so because they're scared of getting stabbed themselves. Taking them round a hospital to see all the people who have been stabbed is unlikely to help.
went to jail. It wasn't nice. Stories of it being a holiday camp are very suspect. Ask anyone you know who's been to jail whether it's a nice place to be and I'll bet they say no. I've met a good 8-10 and almost every one said it was hell.
that'll stop it, yes.
ask the daily mail.
would feel, having just been stabbed, to have the stress of someone guilty of that crime standing at their bedside? I'm sure that'll do a lot to soothe their fears....