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What age do you think it should be?
but I was having a row about those kids that killed jamie bulger and who's fault it would be if an 8 year old killed someone (i know they were ten)
11 or 12.
if you're old enough to drink, smoke and knowingly threaten people, then you're old enough to know what you're doing when you kill someone.
Between the ages of 10-14 the prosecution must prove that you knew what you were doing was wrong (Bulger case, defendants were both 10)
From the age of 14 and up you're tried as an adult.
This was later increased to 10, then increased yet again to 15 before being overturned at the appeal court.
A further two years was taken off the minimum tariff bringing the sentence full circle back to a minimum of 8 years once again.
They were released in 2001.
and what they would say about what they did
Did you watch that drama on Channel 4 a while ago, 'Boy A'?
It was loosely based on the Bulger case about a guy in his early twenties attempting to rebuild his life after being released for a horrific child murder some years earlier.
It was one of the best pieces of television I have ever seen.
If you haven't seen it, it's available for free on Channel 4's On Demand (or '4OD') service.
It's in the Free Archive section.
I will watch it
But it suffered from the same thing as Criminal Justice - the writer covered himself by showing the kid was little more than an accomplice to the other kid's crime. It's just a really easy way of making the audience universally sympathetic when a case of absolute guilt in childhood would have been much more interesting and challenging. And I think he would have been going through the same things, largely.
and then tried accordingly.
Though I don't always agree, for example the Jamie Bulger case - they were tried as youth offenders and so there prison terms were until they turned 18. Which to be fair the severity of the crime they should have been tried as adults. Another example is Ed Kemper, he killed both his grandparents at 16 and was tried as a minor, once released he went on to murder 10 young women.
for a crime they did when they were a child, imo.
but define the point where that change occurs.
I think any crime committed under 14 shouldn't result in a sentence going beyond 18. Beyond that, I think it's possible to be tried as an adult, but every case needs to be assessed by psychologists to decide properly. I wouldn't want to be the person making the decision, really.
it totally depends on someone's upbringing, their experiences in life, the people they've come into contact with or been influenced by. Some people grow up very quickly because they've had to, whereas others still behave like children far into their 'adult' life.
I don't know.
Luxembourg has it as 18 which is far too high in my opinion.