That may have been placed there by King Arthur himself. Stupidly, STUPIDLY, I opened and sniffed. My right nostril has never been the same, if i try and breath out through my nose, it only comes out the left. :'(
How can you possibly leave anything in after it's use-by. Not only might you use it by accident, but it's going to pollute all your other food, so you'd have to throw everything out and spend a lot of time washing and disinfecting it. Aside from being ridiculously dangerous, it's a complete waste...
"guys, feel free to eat all the veg in my vegetables box, i don't fancy dealing with them when i get back in 4 weeks time", and they say "k" and then you come back 4 weeks later and nearly vomit with the smell
people who forget about food generally do look at a road before crossing, and they don't get their water from the toilet. but hey, maybe you've got experience to the contrary
that it's easy to get rid of food that's gone off. in fact, it's possibly easier than taking time out your day to cook, well, to cook whatever to freeze it to use at a later date, or whatever.
i think you're suggesting everyone should have the same hygeine standards as you, and while maybe that's a fair point (well, okay, it probably is), people don't and generally they pay the price with ill-health when it all goes wrong and that's human life nowadays
And just buy things when you need them. If you look at what you have, account for it, and cook accordingly. It's not difficult - saves money and health. And if there's anything left at the end for whatever reason, it;s not going to be the end of the world to throw it out on the date (or before if you know you won't be using it).
for example, did you know that my favourite book is named after an austronaut? no, you didn't. there, that's a new and exciting thing concerning me. it's not that difficult.
(except with the freezing thing, but we're not talking about that), i just think that you're overstating the dangers. sure the dangers COULD be there, but much much much much much more often they're not there until you can tell by examining the food they're there.
i'd also say this: in the days before use-by dates, how did humans tell what food to eat and what not to eat?
Because it makes people sick, people of any age. If you want to do population control, it'd be better to stop funding research into medical conditions that effect the elderly.
i was saying that because we're living healthier lives - sure we get sick sometimes but everything does
i understand all your theories but they're just that: theories. all your ideas in this thread are horribly worst-case-scenario and it just doesn't work that way with people in general. in practice, it just doesn't happen like that. that's all i can say
Just because there's nothing physically obvious with the problem. It probably is happening to the bodies of people who do this regularly, but it won't ever be diagnosed as so.
Nobody would do research into it, as it would be considered pointless, and would be hard to identify as it being the same cause - but it's blatantly logical, keep eating posion it's going to build up harmfully attacking your body.
really would NOT be considered pointless, i would be very surprised if there wasn't already research into it.
one distinction i think you're not making here is the difference between poison and harmful bacteria. poison would be something like arsenic, which is i think, not what you're referring to.
i'm not an expert on bacteria and human biology but my dad is and i'm trying to remember his words where he was telling me about the human body fighting off infections and coming through completely unscathed. it would take a hell of a lot of repeated cases of food poisoning - i.e. more than anyone's realistically going to get - for it to finally undermine your immune system in this way.
unless you get an uber bad one from meat or something, and with respect to this thread, i don't think it's talking about people eating meat foolishly. meat is exactly the sort of thing people take the necessary caution over
they still 'poison' the body in the way most people would use the term.
And no, I don't believe that at all. There's no logic in it. Eat dangerous things, it'll hurt you. You don't need any research or evidence, it's bloody obvious.
Things like meat and dairy likely will be the worst cases, for sure - but everything has the ability to be damaging and dangerous.
find me some seemingly accurate evidence and if there's anything to change my opinion, then fine. There hasn't been so far, but if you can do so please go ahead. I mean that genuinely.
at the end of the day i don't care enough to go trawling through medical journals or what have you. you can say "ok i win argument i am right" but really frustrating the other person to the point where they want to bash their head against a wall until unconscious isn't really a moral victory. but whatever. this is the last time i look at this thread, after that NEVER AGAIN EVER
Sorry to wade in. I'm a qualified nurse, and I can assure you that eating food that is a little bit gone off, example bread, is NOT going to harm the body in anyway. In fact, some of the mould on bread etc, spurs the natural bacteria in the human gut into life, whereas it would normally remain dormant. Essentially, this is what anti-biotic drugs do.
Now, I'm not going to advocate eating rotten food, but the seemingly life threatening ideas about it you have are way way off the mark.
I genuinely meant no offence. All I'm saying is that being a nurse doesn't make you the authority on such a subject. At all. The same would g9o for most doctors. In any way more than I am. A food safety expert is just about the only person.
and often its best before, just means it wont taste as good! Stop being so paranoiiiiiiid 'dangerous' PISH POSH (well yea obvs after a while but a day or 2 wont hurt
generally the use-by is a slightly before it starts to become slightly dangerous to eat. it's generally just to give food companies a little extra leeway/prevent them getting sued
it's generally safer than i think you think it is, but as long as you eat all your food in time and don't waste stuff, it's not really a problem for you/not your battle to fight.
in fact it says BEST BEOFRE 99% of the time not Use by... some products can last weeks after Best Before especially if they dont contain meat and dairy and are in a sealed enviroment.
Tempurature effects such things as well, so a colder winter would usualy mean food will last longer.
Its not a stupid statement it's fact but I know your too stubbourn to even see this as true so I shant bother.
that kind of things to different situations. It's a completely unnescessary, stupid risk. If something has a date telling you when to use it, that's when you should use it. "Oh it'll probably be okay, just been a week and the weather's been pretty cold, what's the worst that could happen - just get a bit sick or something".... "Oh it'll probably be okay, the car's not going that fast, it'd probably stop anyhow, what's the worst that could happen - just break an arm or something"....
Food poising is pretty serious - especially if you're poisoning your body with infested food on a regular basis - you'll end up in terrible health and dead at 50 probably.
and externally obvious. In the big scheme a broken leg isn't -that- bad. Continually giving your body a build-up of poison on the other hand, is going to be damaging on a long term scale far more severely.
Which means that you potentially could be, and probably are. And unless you throw everything else around it out, and wash/disinfect then whatever else you consume will be contaminated too.
i have a mind which allows me to think for myself rather than believing everything and anything that is written down. which means: if the food is bad, i don't eat it. if it's not bad, i might eat it. i'm far more paranoid about this kind of stuff than most people i know as well.
why any rational person, who wouldn't take a bath in boiling water, sit in fire, walk into traffic etc, would eat out of date food. It makes no sense. And for some reason everyone thinks MY views are the "strange" ones when I have logic, rationale and science on my side....
It's a terrible feature. It makes people stupid. And causes lots of problems. And some people do their best to try and eradicate it (by, say for example, PUTTING USE BY DATES ON FOOD) and people are so irrational they ignore it and think they know better. I think they should just stop bothering to help.
the same irrationality that might make people slightly lax with food will be the same feature that makes them do delightfully impulsive and silly things to pleasantly surprise the ones they love, or make them go off and, in defiance of the study of music, just make an album of sheer emotional power while being musically ropey
That's a ridiculous and completely unfounded thing to say. So a poson with out a bad smell is safe to inhale/consume, yeah? Why don't you try that theory out... might help the world somewhat.
And it's POISON in you food, not the same kind perhaps, but poison all the same. You can't always smell it at all, it's silly to say you can, and that that should be the deciding factor in whether something is safe to eat.
but, to look at it from another point of view, it's less risky. i've seen people take a sniff of something and eat it and be fine - the body's a wonderful thing and can do marvellous things. we're living in an era of nutrition, medicine etc in which generally health can be kept better - people eat food that's LESS gone off than it would have been, say, 100 years ago. people get food poisoning much more seldom these days than they used to because of best before dates. people don't tend to end up in the sort of absolute positions you're describing, i don't believe repeated food poisoning causes anywhere near as much ill-health as yes - as it has the potential to. i don't know why that is but what it means to me is that sure - it could be a serious thing in theory, but in practice it's nowhere near as much of a problem as you, i think, fear it might be.
if we're talking about eating habits turning people dead at 50, anyway, surely saturated fats and the like are much much MUCH more serious in theory and practice than food poisoning
or feel "unwell", which most of the time is probably down to things like eating habits, and not just "I have a bug". So it's not just food poisoning, just people probably don't realise when they get sick what is causing it.
Not really. They're both bad, obviously. But I'd say poison on balance, is worse.
also, i'm really not convinced of your suggestion that stomach bugs are generally caused by food poisoning - my parents (who both have biochemistry degrees) have often talked about stomach bugs being passed on from person to person, thus i might get one while having eaten healthily for a long time. can you produce any evidence to back up your argument?
But probably a lot. I know people who are nearly always complaining of being ill, and constantly eat food after use-by dates. Logic would say 'not coincidental'.
if you've got no figures and are saying "probably a lot", especially when you're going against recieved wisdom. and by the way, i know people who are very healthy despite eating food after use-by dates. what does this mean? LIFE'S RICH TAPESTRY
the medical profession is probably the most active research area in all academia, and common, 'everyday' sicknesses are a massive and costly problem in this (and pretty much every) country. If complaints of general 'unwellness' (or, indeed, other cumulative effects) could be localised to poisons or toxins, then by christ, people would be right on that shit.
It's probably worth also mentioning the benefits of exposure to low levels of food-based bacteria..
a pack of bamboo shoots where the bag had split as I picked it up, I'd say their age was at around 3 months old. The stench was vile, acrid, and so much so that I had to let out a war cry when transporting the dripping mouldy mess to the bin.
was when my mum asked me to go round to hers and clean out the fridge before she came back from holiday or something. SURE MUM, NO WORRIES, HAPPY TO HELP. there was a plate of watermelon slices and there was stuff growing off it that was at least a couple of inches long.
cos she's always away... And the VILE MOULDY mess i always find in there. sigh... generally the worst things i find, i couldnt even name, because i had no idea what they used to be.
but i once put a bag of conkers in my cupboard and then forgot about them. then opened the cupboard about three months later and there was flys and maggots everywhere. i threw a dressing gown over the bag and threw it in the bin. it was a good use of a dressing gown.
also, at my old work, the worst thing was split cans of dog food that had gone unnoticed for a few weeks. they actually smell like what i imagine rotting flesh would smell like.
so the one that I don't use can accumulate loads of other people's really manky old food. Last time we cleaned it out, I found a bag of parsley, completely rotten, wrapped in a mouldy, stained tea towel (which had been perfectly good before being left in the fridge for a month). Why would anyone wrap a bag of parsley with a tea towel before putting it in the fridge?
living here (gone down to 4 now because the council wanted the landlord to get a HMO licence and he didn't want to)... They weren't very good or very big fridges, we've replaced one recently though so now we do actually have quite a lot of fridge space. The one we got rid of used to leak everywhere and all the shelves had fallen off the inside of the door.
I think basically no matter how much space we have, the fridge will always get full, and my housemates will always only throw away their disgusting month-old rice when they run out of room. :-(
which i thought was really rather cool, so i left it in there for a few more weeks - and oh, how it grew! But a few days later the mould started and i had to chuck it out :(
they can last because of high PH levels or something and they really do make an effort to stay alive by even managing to root into a potato i had, it was like they were mateing
And tell the store that their suppliers health and safety checking is poor and it needs to be sorted out. Of course I'd check anything before eating. But if you eat something the day before it's use-by (or before that, obviously) it's going to be okay. It's not a guarantee, but it's very, very likely. After that date it becomes the opposite.
i do actually check the food before i eat it, believe it or not. which is why i'm now throwing stuff away rather than making a big, rotten infesten mouldy FEAST out of it.
"Smalahove is considered by some to be unappealing or even repulsive. It is mostly enjoyed by enthusiasts, and is often served to tourists and braver visitors."
If you managed that, seemingly on a big scale, I don't really believe that you check -everything- when you use it. And regardless, these things will be contaminating everything else you've been using.
that they're damaging their health as well as yours. I'm not sure why being a veggie means that for the sake of your health you won't put up with some moments of uncomfortableness in order to transfer contaminated meat into the bin. You'll get over it. Yes, it's their job. But if they refuse, leaving it makes no sense at all. Even if you don't use the fridge, at that state it's going to be seeping out, and poisoning when opened. And other things from the fridge will leave the germs and poison on work surfaces, pans, cutletry etc. It's your health too.
helps maintain a strong and robust immune system. By the sounds of it, your immune system must be pretty weak. have you ever touched dirt? with your bare hands? or do you walk around in a sterile micro climate plastic bubble filled with clouds of antibacterials?
Yes I have touched dirt. Of course I've washed my hands thoroughly afterwards. I wouldn't touch dirt with an exposed cut on my hand though, for example. And no, I just take basic steps in order to stay safe.
I don't think you understand what food poisoning actually is. Or what a poison is. Also germs? Your not 5 years old! It's a ridiculous over generalised term to use.
Also I bsouceks completely right your immunes system must be awful. Which IS actually very unsafe. Do you suffer from allergies often?
I think i'll do a study into old people and all their mouldy food they have in their fridge.
My grandparents used to have a wall of moulded cheese slices on the door side of the fridge and they kept feeding it with more cheese like some sort of pet.
A packet of Hula Hoops.
So 1997.
Some strawberry jam
That may have been placed there by King Arthur himself. Stupidly, STUPIDLY, I opened and sniffed. My right nostril has never been the same, if i try and breath out through my nose, it only comes out the left. :'(
a MASSIVE penis?
i have never found one of those lying around in my kitchen
there was one attached to a person walking around in my kitchen once though.
I find them all the time
Keep forgetting to throw them out
8====D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byDiILrNbM4
lettuce. and cucumber. and some other....things
cucumbers get so very gross
all that brown gooey stuff :(
especially when they merge with lettuce
and whatever the hell else had been in there
Dans fish!!!!
it stunk! DAN_THW! Why didnt u eat it or take it home you bastard!
This is the worst thread ever?
How can you possibly leave anything in after it's use-by. Not only might you use it by accident, but it's going to pollute all your other food, so you'd have to throw everything out and spend a lot of time washing and disinfecting it. Aside from being ridiculously dangerous, it's a complete waste...
*by "it" I mean the fridge
Or freezer, or cupboard or whatever place the offending items were in.
ABANDON ABANDON ABANDON
yeah
the only thing i use after its useby date is bread because i freeze it to keep it fresh
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
yeah but people forget things
or you might say to your flatmates
"guys, feel free to eat all the veg in my vegetables box, i don't fancy dealing with them when i get back in 4 weeks time", and they say "k" and then you come back 4 weeks later and nearly vomit with the smell
You deserve each other
i don't live with them any more
ha!
How can you possibly forget about something so simple?
And so important? That makes no sense at all. It's a pretty simple and basic thing to keep track of.
because it's not as important to some people?
These are the kind of people
who "forget" to look at a road before crossing, or get their water from the toilet because it's "not as important"....?
It's a simple and important health issue. I'm not sure why people try to deny and avoid it so much, it's completely bizarre.
in my experience that's simply not the case
people who forget about food generally do look at a road before crossing, and they don't get their water from the toilet. but hey, maybe you've got experience to the contrary
Well then if they can apply basic logic
in most health/safety situations, it's very strange for them not to apply the same logic for a situation just as crucial.
but my point is
that it's easy to get rid of food that's gone off. in fact, it's possibly easier than taking time out your day to cook, well, to cook whatever to freeze it to use at a later date, or whatever.
i think you're suggesting everyone should have the same hygeine standards as you, and while maybe that's a fair point (well, okay, it probably is), people don't and generally they pay the price with ill-health when it all goes wrong and that's human life nowadays
Freezing it to use later is just as bad
Potentially worse.
And just buy things when you need them. If you look at what you have, account for it, and cook accordingly. It's not difficult - saves money and health. And if there's anything left at the end for whatever reason, it;s not going to be the end of the world to throw it out on the date (or before if you know you won't be using it).
we know your opinions on freezing stuff
you're going in circles here
Where as
We find out new and exciting things about you every day....
:D
indeed you do
for example, did you know that my favourite book is named after an austronaut? no, you didn't. there, that's a new and exciting thing concerning me. it's not that difficult.
what's an austronaut?
an australian astronaut
no, i understand what you're saying
(except with the freezing thing, but we're not talking about that), i just think that you're overstating the dangers. sure the dangers COULD be there, but much much much much much more often they're not there until you can tell by examining the food they're there.
i'd also say this: in the days before use-by dates, how did humans tell what food to eat and what not to eat?
Most of the dangers in food are invisible
That's almost certainly fact. Going by visuals/smell is pretty much insane.
They didn't. And had much poorer health and died early....
exactly!
and now we've got very good health and are living too long for global sustainability!
all of which means bad food might not be such a problem in today's world?
Yes it is
Because it makes people sick, people of any age. If you want to do population control, it'd be better to stop funding research into medical conditions that effect the elderly.
that wasn't my point
i was saying that because we're living healthier lives - sure we get sick sometimes but everything does
i understand all your theories but they're just that: theories. all your ideas in this thread are horribly worst-case-scenario and it just doesn't work that way with people in general. in practice, it just doesn't happen like that. that's all i can say
You don't know that at all
Just because there's nothing physically obvious with the problem. It probably is happening to the bodies of people who do this regularly, but it won't ever be diagnosed as so.
how do you know?
scientific evidence/figures pls
I don't
Nobody would do research into it, as it would be considered pointless, and would be hard to identify as it being the same cause - but it's blatantly logical, keep eating posion it's going to build up harmfully attacking your body.
i think research into it
really would NOT be considered pointless, i would be very surprised if there wasn't already research into it.
one distinction i think you're not making here is the difference between poison and harmful bacteria. poison would be something like arsenic, which is i think, not what you're referring to.
i'm not an expert on bacteria and human biology but my dad is and i'm trying to remember his words where he was telling me about the human body fighting off infections and coming through completely unscathed. it would take a hell of a lot of repeated cases of food poisoning - i.e. more than anyone's realistically going to get - for it to finally undermine your immune system in this way.
unless you get an uber bad one from meat or something, and with respect to this thread, i don't think it's talking about people eating meat foolishly. meat is exactly the sort of thing people take the necessary caution over
Poisons, toxins whatever they are
they still 'poison' the body in the way most people would use the term.
And no, I don't believe that at all. There's no logic in it. Eat dangerous things, it'll hurt you. You don't need any research or evidence, it's bloody obvious.
Things like meat and dairy likely will be the worst cases, for sure - but everything has the ability to be damaging and dangerous.
ok, don't believe it
this argument's pointless because i suspect even if i dug some scientific figures out to prove, well, anything, it wouldn't change your mind.
Feel free to do so
I haven't seena nyone produce them in similar arguments before, so I'm guessing people can't find any accurate looking ones.
sigh
you know what the worst thing is? i've just spent 45 minutes plus in this discussion for absolutely no point
fuck it, i'm off to eat some gone off eggs
raw.
I just said
find me some seemingly accurate evidence and if there's anything to change my opinion, then fine. There hasn't been so far, but if you can do so please go ahead. I mean that genuinely.
and i said
i'm off to eat some out of date raw eggs
at the end of the day i don't care enough to go trawling through medical journals or what have you. you can say "ok i win argument i am right" but really frustrating the other person to the point where they want to bash their head against a wall until unconscious isn't really a moral victory. but whatever. this is the last time i look at this thread, after that NEVER AGAIN EVER
Well duh
If you're planning on eating out of date raw eggs, I can't imagine you'll be looking at this thread any time soon either....
:O
^my face right now
mmmmmm cake batter
Hello.
Sorry to wade in. I'm a qualified nurse, and I can assure you that eating food that is a little bit gone off, example bread, is NOT going to harm the body in anyway. In fact, some of the mould on bread etc, spurs the natural bacteria in the human gut into life, whereas it would normally remain dormant. Essentially, this is what anti-biotic drugs do.
Now, I'm not going to advocate eating rotten food, but the seemingly life threatening ideas about it you have are way way off the mark.
kthnxby
No offence
But I know "qualified nurses" and I wouldn't want many of them to be giving me any health tips. At all.
LOL.
what a COCK.
No offence
taken.
Twat.
Sighhh
I genuinely meant no offence. All I'm saying is that being a nurse doesn't make you the authority on such a subject. At all. The same would g9o for most doctors. In any way more than I am. A food safety expert is just about the only person.
Nothing EVER goes off on the use by
and often its best before, just means it wont taste as good! Stop being so paranoiiiiiiid 'dangerous' PISH POSH (well yea obvs after a while but a day or 2 wont hurt
That's the stupidest statement ever
Of course it goes off on it's use-by. It's the point where it's dangerous to eat it.
slightly untrue
generally the use-by is a slightly before it starts to become slightly dangerous to eat. it's generally just to give food companies a little extra leeway/prevent them getting sued
roughly speaking, anyway
"roughly speaking"
Maybe it will be okay one day after - but they obviously don't think so, and anyone who's willing to take that risk deserves to get very, very sick.
true but
it's generally safer than i think you think it is, but as long as you eat all your food in time and don't waste stuff, it's not really a problem for you/not your battle to fight.
leave that for gordon brown
i completely agree
discussion over?
great!
shut UP helene
i'm trying to have a sensible, level-headed discussion with pocketmouse here
no, you're not
you don't fool me, you're never sensible
i'm trying to change my ways
i hate you
that's why i'm trying to change my ways
it's only going to make me hate you more
why do you think i'm doing it, duh?
wanna fight?
sexy
fuck off yeah
xxxxxxxx
even sexier
*leer*
can we please not turn this into another frozen bread thread?
please?
you weren't even here when the frozen bread thread happened
first time
i don't know when it was
but i've read it
:D
way to put her in her place
yes, i'm really upset now
you're just a johnny-come-lately with an embarrassingly high user number
THAT'S ME TOLD
Its fact
in fact it says BEST BEOFRE 99% of the time not Use by... some products can last weeks after Best Before especially if they dont contain meat and dairy and are in a sealed enviroment.
Tempurature effects such things as well, so a colder winter would usualy mean food will last longer.
Its not a stupid statement it's fact but I know your too stubbourn to even see this as true so I shant bother.
And how would things work if you apply
that kind of things to different situations. It's a completely unnescessary, stupid risk. If something has a date telling you when to use it, that's when you should use it. "Oh it'll probably be okay, just been a week and the weather's been pretty cold, what's the worst that could happen - just get a bit sick or something".... "Oh it'll probably be okay, the car's not going that fast, it'd probably stop anyhow, what's the worst that could happen - just break an arm or something"....
but those are different levels of risk
sure, it's only recieved wisdom, but generally a yoghurt that's two or three days out of date is less likely to kill you than, say, a car doing 90
Not really
Food poising is pretty serious - especially if you're poisoning your body with infested food on a regular basis - you'll end up in terrible health and dead at 50 probably.
You just say that as it's not so immediate
and externally obvious. In the big scheme a broken leg isn't -that- bad. Continually giving your body a build-up of poison on the other hand, is going to be damaging on a long term scale far more severely.
You know how michale jackson lived in a bio chamber to stop germs
you in 10 years time
Food Poising
SERIOUS BUSINESS!
we are not
talking about EATING INFESTED FOOD HERE THOUGH, are we? I'm certainly not
But you obviously don't check dates
Which means that you potentially could be, and probably are. And unless you throw everything else around it out, and wash/disinfect then whatever else you consume will be contaminated too.
i check the food
i have a mind which allows me to think for myself rather than believing everything and anything that is written down. which means: if the food is bad, i don't eat it. if it's not bad, i might eat it. i'm far more paranoid about this kind of stuff than most people i know as well.
Right, because you obviously know better
when food should and shouldn't be used, than the people who made it, have done tests to measure how long it is safe to eat for, etc......
That's a pretty lame superpower to have.
but useful!
anyway, i don't see what you're getting so worked up about, if you're lucky i might just eat something REALLY REALLY BAD and die. get praying.
I'm worked up because I don't understand
why any rational person, who wouldn't take a bath in boiling water, sit in fire, walk into traffic etc, would eat out of date food. It makes no sense. And for some reason everyone thinks MY views are the "strange" ones when I have logic, rationale and science on my side....
because people aren't rational
it's one of their more endearing features
It's not
It's a terrible feature. It makes people stupid. And causes lots of problems. And some people do their best to try and eradicate it (by, say for example, PUTTING USE BY DATES ON FOOD) and people are so irrational they ignore it and think they know better. I think they should just stop bothering to help.
oh, lighten up
the same irrationality that might make people slightly lax with food will be the same feature that makes them do delightfully impulsive and silly things to pleasantly surprise the ones they love, or make them go off and, in defiance of the study of music, just make an album of sheer emotional power while being musically ropey
I hate impulsiveness
It's just another word for unreliability. Or stupidity.
well i LIKE it
so ner
You know why smells can repel people right?
we are naturally designed to sense when food is unsuitable to be eaten.
No we're not
That's a ridiculous and completely unfounded thing to say. So a poson with out a bad smell is safe to inhale/consume, yeah? Why don't you try that theory out... might help the world somewhat.
erm, that's wrong
firstly, he said "when FOOD is unsuitable". poisons were not mentioned. you can smell when milk's gone sour, right? there's your example right there
YEA!
Your a bad apple pocketmouse, go throw urself in the bin
One example doesn't make a rule
And it's POISON in you food, not the same kind perhaps, but poison all the same. You can't always smell it at all, it's silly to say you can, and that that should be the deciding factor in whether something is safe to eat.
it's a variety of tests
sight, feel and smell, even taste (as in, a first taste and spit it out, chuck it away and wash your mouth out
and it's not foolproof but what it? supermarket produce sell-by dates? I DON'T THINK SO
They're not foolproof
But generally very accurate. Much more accurate than your whims. Senses can be affected by all sorts - they're not reliable AT ALL.
well the human race never went extinct when we relied solely on them
so i'm happy to use them in conjunction with whatever.
No, but the human race
Should strive to be healthy and perfect. Not to live long enough to procreate.
no it shouldn't, silly
Riiiiight
You're being purposefully stupid now, right? Just for the record and all....
no, i just think perfection is overrated
but hey, you can strive for perfection, that's fine by me
it IS pretty serious
but, to look at it from another point of view, it's less risky. i've seen people take a sniff of something and eat it and be fine - the body's a wonderful thing and can do marvellous things. we're living in an era of nutrition, medicine etc in which generally health can be kept better - people eat food that's LESS gone off than it would have been, say, 100 years ago. people get food poisoning much more seldom these days than they used to because of best before dates. people don't tend to end up in the sort of absolute positions you're describing, i don't believe repeated food poisoning causes anywhere near as much ill-health as yes - as it has the potential to. i don't know why that is but what it means to me is that sure - it could be a serious thing in theory, but in practice it's nowhere near as much of a problem as you, i think, fear it might be.
if we're talking about eating habits turning people dead at 50, anyway, surely saturated fats and the like are much much MUCH more serious in theory and practice than food poisoning
But people get sick all the time
or feel "unwell", which most of the time is probably down to things like eating habits, and not just "I have a bug". So it's not just food poisoning, just people probably don't realise when they get sick what is causing it.
Not really. They're both bad, obviously. But I'd say poison on balance, is worse.
i think vast swathes of the medical profession might disagree with you there
also, i'm really not convinced of your suggestion that stomach bugs are generally caused by food poisoning - my parents (who both have biochemistry degrees) have often talked about stomach bugs being passed on from person to person, thus i might get one while having eaten healthily for a long time. can you produce any evidence to back up your argument?
I didn't say bugs are -caused- by food issues
I said that people get sick/unwell and assume it's a bug and not that they're poisoning their bodies.
and what percentage of
personal illnesses are caused by food poisoning not bugs?
I can't say that
But probably a lot. I know people who are nearly always complaining of being ill, and constantly eat food after use-by dates. Logic would say 'not coincidental'.
i'm not sure you can really be THAT certain
if you've got no figures and are saying "probably a lot", especially when you're going against recieved wisdom. and by the way, i know people who are very healthy despite eating food after use-by dates. what does this mean? LIFE'S RICH TAPESTRY
It means they're lucky
FOR NOW
and just between you and me
i think they'll carry on being lucky for a very very long time
Good for them
There are probably some 'lucky' people who never check roads before crossing too. Would probably still be advisable for them to stop.
i think there many more of my example than yours
and those in my example are much luckier for longer than yours so there
I'm with you on this one Brusma
the medical profession is probably the most active research area in all academia, and common, 'everyday' sicknesses are a massive and costly problem in this (and pretty much every) country. If complaints of general 'unwellness' (or, indeed, other cumulative effects) could be localised to poisons or toxins, then by christ, people would be right on that shit.
It's probably worth also mentioning the benefits of exposure to low levels of food-based bacteria..
Angel Delight that had contracted diphtheria
i found a dead cat at the back of my flatmate's cupboard.
no, really.
: (
:(
had it been dead for long?
only since he killed it
how dare you
days.
definitely definitely
a pack of bamboo shoots where the bag had split as I picked it up, I'd say their age was at around 3 months old. The stench was vile, acrid, and so much so that I had to let out a war cry when transporting the dripping mouldy mess to the bin.
one of the weirdest things i've ever seen
was when my mum asked me to go round to hers and clean out the fridge before she came back from holiday or something. SURE MUM, NO WORRIES, HAPPY TO HELP. there was a plate of watermelon slices and there was stuff growing off it that was at least a couple of inches long.
:(
this reminds me of my friend's old bedsit, but I'm not going to go into that. Words cannot express...
i have to repeatedly clean out my mum's fridge
cos she's always away... And the VILE MOULDY mess i always find in there. sigh... generally the worst things i find, i couldnt even name, because i had no idea what they used to be.
manky
make sure you get a head start the next she goes away!
Penecillin for the win!
next time*
tarded fingers are too slow
she's going tomorrow.
i'm so there tomorrow.
(mostly to eat all her food that hasn't gone off. cos like. it's free and stuff)
awesome
I'm going out now to eat a yoghurt. That's literally all I'm going out for, it's a Cherry Fruit Corner too! Mmmmmmmmm.......:O''''''
ALSO
Uni fridges are the most disgraceful things in the World.
ctrl+f+pocketmous
HOORAY
/popcorn
:D
not my kitchen
but i once put a bag of conkers in my cupboard and then forgot about them. then opened the cupboard about three months later and there was flys and maggots everywhere. i threw a dressing gown over the bag and threw it in the bin. it was a good use of a dressing gown.
also, at my old work, the worst thing was split cans of dog food that had gone unnoticed for a few weeks. they actually smell like what i imagine rotting flesh would smell like.
that's cause they are rotting flesh, i guess
isn't dog food
mostly horse flesh?
:(
my dog used to eat tripe
she was gay for that stuff. don't even know what it is.
We've got 2 fridges
so the one that I don't use can accumulate loads of other people's really manky old food. Last time we cleaned it out, I found a bag of parsley, completely rotten, wrapped in a mouldy, stained tea towel (which had been perfectly good before being left in the fridge for a month). Why would anyone wrap a bag of parsley with a tea towel before putting it in the fridge?
2 fridges?!
absurd
There were 5 people
living here (gone down to 4 now because the council wanted the landlord to get a HMO licence and he didn't want to)... They weren't very good or very big fridges, we've replaced one recently though so now we do actually have quite a lot of fridge space. The one we got rid of used to leak everywhere and all the shelves had fallen off the inside of the door.
I think basically no matter how much space we have, the fridge will always get full, and my housemates will always only throw away their disgusting month-old rice when they run out of room. :-(
half an onion that was starting to spurt leaves and shit
which i thought was really rather cool, so i left it in there for a few more weeks - and oh, how it grew! But a few days later the mould started and i had to chuck it out :(
Onions are awesome past their sell by date
they can last because of high PH levels or something and they really do make an effort to stay alive by even managing to root into a potato i had, it was like they were mateing
I found an onion like that once
I was keeping it on the windowsill as an experiment/miniature garden, but someone threw it in the bin. :-(
hey pocketmouse
how do you deal with the fact that sometimes stuff goes off BEFORE the use by date?
i once found maggot in the ham one day after i'd bought it.
im guessing
not very well.
Then take it back
And tell the store that their suppliers health and safety checking is poor and it needs to be sorted out. Of course I'd check anything before eating. But if you eat something the day before it's use-by (or before that, obviously) it's going to be okay. It's not a guarantee, but it's very, very likely. After that date it becomes the opposite.
so can you eat something
on the use-by date or not?
No
Well, you could I suppose - but it's too risky as far as I'm concerned, otherwise where do you draw the line. I'd only eat something the day before.
i did, and got lots of money and stuff.
that's not the real issue here.
i do actually check the food before i eat it, believe it or not. which is why i'm now throwing stuff away rather than making a big, rotten infesten mouldy FEAST out of it.
in defiance of traditional norwegian cuisine, eh
traditional norwegian food:
http://photos.schreibman.googlepages.com/smalahove_served.jpg
hm
"Smalahove is considered by some to be unappealing or even repulsive. It is mostly enjoyed by enthusiasts, and is often served to tourists and braver visitors."
But how can you have left stuff in there without checking
If you managed that, seemingly on a big scale, I don't really believe that you check -everything- when you use it. And regardless, these things will be contaminating everything else you've been using.
because it's not my stuff
i don't use the fridge much, and i just ignore everything in there that isn't mine
But it's still INFECTING
your things. So you should care. And should care about the health of those around you too.
i don't care though
i wish i were dead
there is no one else around
the end.
not a chance in hell i plan on touching my flatmates
4 week old meat leftovers. i'm a veggie, i will not touch it. not my job thanks.
Well then you should tell them
that they're damaging their health as well as yours. I'm not sure why being a veggie means that for the sake of your health you won't put up with some moments of uncomfortableness in order to transfer contaminated meat into the bin. You'll get over it. Yes, it's their job. But if they refuse, leaving it makes no sense at all. Even if you don't use the fridge, at that state it's going to be seeping out, and poisoning when opened. And other things from the fridge will leave the germs and poison on work surfaces, pans, cutletry etc. It's your health too.
but i don't think she's likely to do that
and guess what. I'M SURE SHE'S FINE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT AS EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE APART FROM YOU OKAY?
nah, you need a few germs in your life.
helps maintain a strong and robust immune system. By the sounds of it, your immune system must be pretty weak. have you ever touched dirt? with your bare hands? or do you walk around in a sterile micro climate plastic bubble filled with clouds of antibacterials?
I'm guessing you're also they type who
believes in "character building".
Yes I have touched dirt. Of course I've washed my hands thoroughly afterwards. I wouldn't touch dirt with an exposed cut on my hand though, for example. And no, I just take basic steps in order to stay safe.
reading some of your posts
I don't think you understand what food poisoning actually is. Or what a poison is. Also germs? Your not 5 years old! It's a ridiculous over generalised term to use.
Also I bsouceks completely right your immunes system must be awful. Which IS actually very unsafe. Do you suffer from allergies often?
No, I have no allergies
And my immune system is good, or even irrelevant as I don't expose my body to harmful things.
of course you expose your body to harmful things
unless you don't touch other people? Or even breathe in their company.
Okay, but minimally
who's the say the minimum amount you allow
isn't the stuff thats going to kill you! Ahh who gives a fuck anyway, I *sorta* got Pocketmouse to admit she was wrong!
'character building'?
i believe in 'lego building'. with blocks of lego i've licked, thrown in the dirt, licked again, then rubbed into my open wounds.
Basic steps. one block at a time.
:D
You will not live forever
How have you come to terms with that?
I wouldn't want to
I don't even want to get particularly old. But I want to be healthy.
not sure where to put this
but can i just say http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7492573.stm
what are your feelings on 'best before' though?
i eagerly await your reponse.
you'll change your mind about that.
I found a tin of duck livers that a friend brought back from Eastern Europe
I've never plucked up the courage to eat them. They've gone past their best before date now, but I can't bring myself to part with them.
I'm really bored
I think i'll do a study into old people and all their mouldy food they have in their fridge.
My grandparents used to have a wall of moulded cheese slices on the door side of the fridge and they kept feeding it with more cheese like some sort of pet.
i've just cleaned my kitchen up a bit
moved in last week and the people before had left loads of food in the fridge, i poured some orange j