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I'll meat him on a Monday - I'm going to go to the shop now and buy a pie
Let's get this counterthread show on the road.
He is no more out of touch than the government, they also make fruitless pointless gestures, and they are no more able to grasp the problems at hand and how to deal with them.
(of course this is bearing in mind my certainty that the economic system is about to collapse, thus rendering any efforts to prevent further climate degradation (from our point) rather irrelevant for us....we need to drop all other concerns including climate to concentrate on avoiding this fall
if thats any help
"He added: "One of the most significant conclusions of the recent report on climate change was that we should eat less meat. This is not the Vegetarian Society that said that. It's the UN.""
At least Macca isn't trying to appeal to a bunch of students on the internet by being really controversial and anti-green, you stupid little toad.
lol on you for losing so bad
It's kind of relevant.
why it'd help the environment? i'm no scientist
"the scheme would alert consumers to the environmental impact of meat production".
If it's grass fed then it's much less. Also, lots of places you can't grow vegetables/grain, such as the side of mountains and hills, but you can rear beef/sheep on the grass. McCartney and people who think we should all be carrot-sucking vegetarians can all go suck eggs. I'd rather have a meat-free friday for religious reasons than a meat-free monday for idealistic reasons.
it wouldn't be 'idealistic' reasons, it would be logical reasons - for a start, plenty of land that could be used for crops, or even just a good old natural space, is currently used for rearing livestock - and if you go overseas and look at the amazon, where thousands of acres are being cut down to make space for slash and burn cattle rearing, the situation is even more extreme.
It's a bit around the bushes, but essentially it illustrates how much energy is consumed in rearing meat - the meat we eat would come in at the secondary level (ie about 4 times on this basis) but then far more energy is expended looking rearing meat on a farm than would be in the wild - I believe a rough figure is double that again.
It's not uncommon for a chap in this country to eat the recommended amount of meat for a week in a single day (traditional breakfast, meat based sandwich, meat based dinner), and while that's someone's personal choice, I think it's important to educate people on their food habits, both from a production and dietary point of view.
Also, he probably wouldn't suck eggs as he's a vegan.
that was once only fit for grazing cattle on is now being used for intensive farming to grow soya, which is then used as feed for cattle. Some of it is farmed for biofuels. Traditional farmers have then been forced elsewhere to slash and burn areas to rear cattle.
Know where your food comes from and how it's looked after in the process of getting to you and we'll all be better off.
And I know MaCartney's a vegan - it's why I said it.
I pride myself on my roast dinners.
Still doesn't make sense - land in amazon is used to grow soya, which is then fed to cattle. That's still a huge amount of land being used to rear livestock, which is what we want to avoid right?
The eastern diet (ie sub continental asia) uses about a 1/10th of the land space and energy the western diet does, and as food stocks dwindle, land space gets used up and the cost of producing food increases, surely we should be looking at a balance of efficiency and choice/quality?
And that doesn't even touch on the health side of things.
their diets are becoming more Westernised in terms of the regularity they eat meat, and the amount of it.
Factor in a projected world population of 9 million by 2042 and we're simply buggered unless we start to change our habits.
but yeah, this is the point. Changes need to be made now to be the most effective (they should have been made years ago though...)