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I'm not even gonna bother with this one. You're a moron.
And, let's face it, been through a LOT.
I haven't read the *entire* thread, but has no-one pointed out that this might be the teeniest, tiniest bit misogynistic?
as it was during the pre-bamnan days people just took light-hearted threads with the humour intended.
But as a girl, I'm pretty fed up with being judged on the way I look.
Getting 'nice tits' shouted at you, or even having your ass patted as you walk by a group of guys, which has happened to me before can get pretty tiring, not to mention it's intimidating, and sometimes scary if you're on your own at night.
Finding these kind of discussions funny and lighthearted is at the root of the problem - guys think that these discussions are harmless. This is the kind of attitude that perpetuates so called 'harmless' comments and derogatory behaviour. It's a subtle form of harassment, and then you guys get all up in arms and tell us we can't take a joke when we confront it! Can you not just stop to think for a second that maybe we are *sick* of hearing/reading discussions like this all the time?
I like it
i've never shouted 'nice tits' at a girl or 'patted' a girls ass that i didnt know. im also not sure what saying 'you guys' adds to an arguement centered around sexism, whether percieved or actual.
i wasnt getting up in arms about it at all. its a harmless thread on the internet, in which both girls and guys have commented, and i think theres a clear difference between what is actual harassment (ie: your examples) and something like this thread, even if Marcofella writing the thread makes it a bit 'ropey'.
but you're the one who said no it wasn't the teeniest tiniest but misogynistic, and I wanted to point out that failing to see this is one of the reasons guys often find things amusing that make girls feel upset or even violated in some way.
Again, not directly accusing you as getting 'up in arms', but often, if a girl takes issue with a thread or a comment like this, we often get accused of being uptight & not being able to take a joke, when actually this kind of attitude makes us feel devalued, which is hurtful.
Whereas this is a general thread about what guys prefer, and not a direct act of harassment, I still think it's a widespread attitude that needs to change. I don't think it is, as you say, 'harmless', because it often makes girls (or me, at least) feel uncomfortable.
In 2005 this site had a very small userbase on these forums. It did have some trolls like wrightylew and some edgy types who got ANGRY like Brainlove and also Marcofella for sure.
But it was also far less diverse in the types of users. These days the board is full of right-wing nutters and new-lad profiles spouting sexist bollocks, etc. Back then an assertion that the Tories were evil would have been met with a resounding, "Yeah, and?", and thus a thread like this by its nature was entirely ironic.
And yeah, irony is an easy defence for being a cretin these days but irony genuinely works if all your audience are actually on the same page as you are, hence while you are correct about its sexist nature you are also incorrect about its sexist intent. Thanks.
(Except possibly Marcofella was actually being a bit nuts as we know now.)
As I said, I did not notice that this thread was so old, but eve so, I still stand by my opinion.
I get that a lot of people posting in this thread are being ironic, but at the same time I think there are some that aren't.
I started posting circa 2007 so I'm not particularly au fait with everything that was going on then (however I did catch wind of the marcofella debacle).
I just think things like this are ofen said in jest, and sometimes seriously, without the realisation of how this makes some women feel. But yeah, it was 6 years ago, and we should probably just let it lie.
Exactly why it was bumped I don't know. I can delete all the recent posts so it sinks back into 2005 if you like?
I'm not watching the photo of my kids slowly fading away because Bamnan said he looks at women's asses
my mind imploded with the obscurity at play.
didn't you see the news?
but anyway..... my point's still valid, right?
I mean your point is valid but it also disallows the fact that anyone contributing to this thread back in 2005 may have learned and changed. A large number don't even post here any more.
with very limited, almost trivially miscroscopic power comes very minor responsibility
and why shouldn't I? If a man thinks i've got nice tits or a nice arse and wants to shout it at me across the street, I'll let him. It only boosts my confidence. Its utterly pointless for the man to do it though (its not gonna make me go "Oh! That guy thinks my tits are good! Imma ask him out!") but I dunno. I'm not that bothered by it anymore. I posted a thread about it before because the men on my industrial estate started to gather around the lunch lady van thing whenever I went there and when I bent down they'd all whistle.
Touching a womans bum without her permission is totally unacceptable though but I think that is in a different league to being shouted "compliments" at in the street.
IM JUST SAYIN'
If you find it complimentry and empowering then that's great. But I don't, and a lot of women I know don't either. I guess it comes down to personal preferences. Sometimes it can come across more agressive than complimentry, and that's what freaks me out; When it's not about comlimenting someone, and it is about power.
or find it embarrassing. But as you say, personal preferences.
(Out of interest and not trying to start one of these debatey things) do you think that men do it to feel some kind of power over women then?
I think its just part of this LAD behavior that men try to keep up in front of other men. I've never been shouted at by a man on his own.
but can you not see that this is about a lot more than 'personal preferences'? i mean, much like you, i've never felt particularly threatened or upset by street harassment on a personal everyday level (probs just cos i'm uggers innit), but i'm positive i'd feel differently if i'd ever been seriously harassed or abused, and i can still recognise that it's part of a really harmful horrible sexist culture and that it's ABSOLUTELY about power/humiliation/macho-man-points and nothing to do with just giving a compliment, the vast vast majority of the time. though you're totally right about it being a LAD culture thing - in terms of 'power' i guess it's generally more about the show of power for other men rather than giving much of a shit how the woman reacts. the point is however it makes you feel, surely we can agree that men who do this are generally misogynist cunts that you really wouldn't want to be friends with/go out with. right?
also: I'M REALLY SORRY GUYS
I didn't wanna start this as I have a bunch of work on. I will answer it a little later once I've finished what I'm doing.
and that therefore, feminist men are more worth listening to than feminist women. that's pretty misogynist.
not gonna go an find the post cos then i'll feel like a massive wza, but you said something along the lines of feminist men are more rational because their opinions obviously aren't based on raging man-hate like the wimminz
wish i had your willpower
just meant i wish i had the willpower to stay out of these woeful arguments where everyone involved comes out looking like a terrible cunt. ESPECIALLY IN A MARCOFELLA THREAD ENTITLED 'TITS OR ASS'
I do my trash talking behind people's backs like a man
I'd just rather not get involved when you're involved, thats all.
I just don't want to engage in conversations with someone who can't take in anyone elses point of view and just turns into a nasty dick when someone disagrees with them. I'm sure at least one other person on this site can agree that you do not know how to have an actual discussion about anything. Everything MUST related back to you and how you're working class or whatever point you're so desperate to get across about yourself. No one can change your mind or way of thinking WHICH IS COMPLETELY FINE. I just don't want to discuss things with someone who is like that.
and when someone tries to explain it to you make an outlandish statement and then state that you are right and no one can change your mind on that.
Can one of the mods please delete this subthread from http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/333754#r5958554 down? Its completely ruined this thread as seems to be the common theme this week.
AND FOR THE RECORD: I choose tits.
I'm going with Van_Gok_Wan and her insidious bump (singular you sexist pigs)
but it bears repeating.
Tits are clearly better.
Also, did this feminism thread get jealous of the one we had a few days ago or something?
I was too young to watch Tiananmen Square, this would be the closest equivalent
Any geezers knocking around?
THANKS FOR THAT.
I do a clever sneaky sideways on look. Sometimes I hide behind my newspaper. In summer I wear very dark sunglasses.
Staring is for amateurs.
it's like looking at the sun - you get a sense of it and then you turn away.
'She’s got a great ass,' Pop. 'A great ass! I would like to go to bed with her very much!' So I said to him 'you be a man'! All my life I’ve tried to make a man of my son! When he’s a little boy, we sit down together and watch a video…one of my favourites!
No. Is called 'The Ass Master' – is German.
AL CRINGES AS POP RUINS HIS DATE.
It’s about this guy with a video camera, and he goes around filming the asses of beautiful women! Then he take them back to his hotel, and…
POP GETS UP, ANGRY THAT AL HAS INTERRUPTED HIM. HE RAISES HIS HAND AS IF TO STRIKE AL.
Hey! Hey! What’s the matter, huh? Perhaps now you have no use for your dirty movie! Now you have met your wife to be! Mind you…Patricia – she has real class. Not like those television whores you like so much!
a girl in the uni library just asked another if a guy was 'shaggable'. sexism/objectifying is now completely balanced.
cant believe that wasnt the first reply
of wishpig's staunch feminism. So glad I wasn't invovled in this thread first time around.
Time to break out the food and drink and get comfy.
200+ reply thread there
Tits, because if you squeeze them together you can make them look a bit like an ass.
Irony is for suckers.
Dab some nipples onto a pair of buttocks and you've got yourself a perfectly workable pair of tits. Obviously ignore the anus in the cleavage.
Should be instated as a viable alternative phrase to "the elephant in the room".