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WE'RE OFF TO WEMBERRRRRRLEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!
and Leeds and Leeds, Leeds and Leeds, Leeds and Leeds, WE ALL FUCKING LOVE LEEDS!
I'm still drunked. Yessir.
Um, Portsmouth? Anyone but Cardiff...
not a cardiff fan but tend to side with the underdog.
Both sides have only won the cup twice in their respective history, going for a team just because their the underdogs is silly. If it was a Premiership team that had won the cup many times I could understand it.
I want Portsmouth to win because it's the "English" FA Cup and should be one by an English team.
just got that story from one of the Arsenal blogs. And even he said it was just speculation, just linking quotes together.
Also, I hate to put this argument forward because it smacks of mindless parochialism, but in the Premiership he'll get about half the time on the ball that he gets in La Liga and quite likely get the shit kicked out of him. I'm not sure he could handle it.
hes ace but not built for the premiership.hes more tempermental than c.ronaldo
rocking the boat
Negotiating an improved contract.
It's all about the Blues this weekend.
Nope, not the FA Cup final. The mighty Shrimpers AKA Southend United FC.
Come on Barney, get fit you lightweight ex-Spurs fucker - we need you!
Getting sweaty palms already...
not this weekend.
you must be a huge fan...
remember that name, if you do get through to the final you'll be taking a pasting from them.
I guess you're too busy watching Will and Grace
that's what ALL proper football fans do.
"Stop asking me these questions."
That said, if he adds the Champions League with Man U as well as the Premiership, there is nothing more they can offer him but money - which may not matter any more.
does my head in how this comes every single summer, usually thanks to shitstirring from that propaganda rag Marca. He's said he'll stay at United (for the next couple of years at least) time and again, but the press keep pushing until they get their desired answer.
I'm fairly confident he'll stay, if not the £100m transfer fee (which surely no player could ever live up to) will scratch the surface of Malc's debt repayments.
I have nothing else to say about that, but invite you not to crow as I'm being noble.
A Crestfallen Carlisle Fan
cracking team spirit you've got there mate. And what a keeper. We did, just about, deserve it. But the way we did it must have been horrible.
Your time will come.
I like you!
Worried that keeper might be off mind...
So, as expected, the 97th minute goal on Monday proved crucial and the conspiracy theories about the Football League doing everything in their power to get Cheats United promoted look a distinct possibility after last night.
Not that I care as I'll be watching Mono at ATP in 8 hours! Happy days...and of course the fact we've already been promoted to the Championship helps too!
We all hate LeedsSCUM!
We all hate LeedsSCUM!
We all hate LeedsSCUM!
We all hate LeedsSCUM!
Do shut up. I didn't want Leeds to win last night for more reasons than you but I'll accept they did and just get on with it.
I've had more shit at work this morning than is fair!
refs LOVE us, don't they? Did you watch the game?! The ref gave us fuck all. Granted, the first leg goal game VERY late, but there were lots of subs and an injury. Someone on another site I go on has worked it out and it was valid.
The FA doing everything they could to get us promoted? You mean like docking us an extra 15 points and not explaining why? And then not giving us them back and still not explaining why?
Stop talking such utter shite you bitter twat. We've been shat on, time and time again but still we keep coming back.
See you next season. We'll shit on you, whoever you are.
Fuck em all, fuck em all, the long and the short and the tall, cos we are United and we are the best, we are United so fuck all the rest.
"The FA doing everything they could to get us promoted? You mean like docking us an extra 15 points and not explaining why? And then not giving us them back and still not explaining why?"
Is utter bollocks. It was explained by the league at the time, and there's a 52 (from memory) page document released publicly by their tribunal stating all the details and reasoning behind the arbitration decision. I'll even take the time to hunt the document out again if you want to see the proof.
there were reasons, but they amounted to 'you took too long' (which we didn't, the Football League did).
i guess i'm just bitter. there is one reason that has validity- when we were offered 'the golden share' we took it on the basis that we wouldn't challenge the 15 points.
with the 15 point deduction, they should in all reality have gone out of business and lost their place in the leauge. The fact that Bates was allowed to buy them back while screwing all the creditors was only because Leeds were a 'big club'
for anything, ever. scum bag. get the chelsea out of leeds.
there were two other buyers with valid bids. so we wouldn't have gone out of business. god knows how he managed to win. i fucking wish he hadn't.
secured creditor (allegedly), he had power of veto over the bids and was able to gain preferred status in the 24 hour process (which was massively stacked against the other two groups interested at the time). He also put a very limited timespan on his bid that forced the process to be concluded quickly.
you (or rather Bates) didn't go through the formal CVA procedure - apparently because a number of legal challenges were recieved over his apparent dealing with the major creditors. As such, no CVA was entered into, but the assets were sold onto the new company, sidestepping the process for unsecured creditors of the old company. After discussions with the league (who should have demoted to League 2 by their rules if the share was transferred, but were allowed discretion to vary the penalty) they agreed to transfer the share in exchange for 15 points. As you say, one of the clauses in the legal agreement signed was a waiver of Leeds right to go to arbitration - the only right of appeal was if the League didn't fulfil their commitment to transfer the share properly.
With the delays, the first was down to Leeds first attempting to appeal to the FA. A couple of weeks after member clubs had confirmed the penalty, Leeds appealed to the FA and this caused the delay to mid-Febuary. They could have appealed to the Football League concurrently, but chose not to. Similarly, after this, they decided to go to the high court afterwards, which caused a further 5/6 week delay. As part of this, the defending lawyers suggested that it should go to a "Regulation K" arbitration (the stuff in April). However, it took a month for Leeds to actually file this request after they'd agreed to follow the process.
Given that Leeds chose not to file for arbitration until March 19th, I fail to see how you can claim that it's the League's fault that they took too long?
*and walks away sheepishly*
can i not just say 'we was robbed' and pretend that was the case?!
but I'll argue with you :o)
Or the Halifax one?
earned points decductions for going into administration. Leeds also got this (last season) - they've lost 25 points in total.
with the cva, yet Boston and Halifax got relegated and Leeds got away with a 15 point deduction. Or is there a major difference?
IIRC (although would have to check). The penalty didn't cause the relegation since they were too far behind. Leeds got the 10 points last season, and it didn't put them in the relegation zone.
Both Boston and Halifax then went through a CVA, agreeing terms with their creditors whereas Leeds didn't and sidestepped the process by forming a new company, meaning that some creditors therefore had no way of getting anything out of it.
As the league membership was with the old company, the league said that since the process that their rules say should be followed wasn't (for a variety of reasons, partly time and possibly some other more shady ones), they'd allow the membership to be taken over by the new company on condition that Leeds agreed an additional points deduction.
The alternatives were
- not to transfer the share and the club would fold entirely.
- to transfer the share and relegate Leeds.
They felt that since time constraints were claimed to be the main reason behind Leeds' actions that a points deduction was a more reasonable strategy.
2 divisions straight from league 2 to BSN. Is that just the blue square rules? Can they give out different punishments than are given to league clubs?
Boston fell foul of slightly different FA and Conference Rules on their CVA. (agreed after their relegation, but before the Conference AGM where their place would have been confirmed).
Basically there's a FA "Football Creditors" rule that says all football debts in a CVA must be paid in full. The Inland Revenue automatically vote against any CVA where they don't get the same offer as other creditors, as was the case here, so to get the agreement through Boston had to revise theirs so that not all football debts were paid up 100%.
They were relegated (again) because of that.
I'd imagine he'll have to go, sadly.
The latest fringe Liverpool player to be pissed off by an over the top valuation that probably means he'll be going nowhere and rotting in the stiffs.
just swapping their good players for Liverpool's cast offs, and noone will be better off at the end.
that there is a good chance that UEFA will be able to pass a rule which means academy players will have to sign their first contract with the club that trained them. As an Arsenal fan this will obviously affect us quite a lot but I still support it as I think it will make it fairer and benefit football as a whole.
maybe not allowed to move under 18, apparantle the EU would allow the ban under some protection of young people or something.
They can probably introduce sanctions that make 'poaching' players from other academies less attractive though
The Play Off Final in League One would be between Leeds and Southend, but now we're here I'm getting the distinct impression we'll fall at the last hurdle.
On our day we can kick any teams ass in this league - Leeds well and truly included. And I've never truly forgiven them for effectively relegating us both last season and being selfish.
We'll see. At least it's nice supporting a team where you don't know what you get. 5 years ago, we were 3 games away from the Conference.
Now we're the only team in the world with a 100% record against Man U.
i hate donny (although part of me would love to beat them in the final).
if someone had told me at the beginning of the season we'd be in the play off final i'd have laughed and not believed them.
likewise, on our day (like last night but so rarely) we can beat anyone in this league. so it could well be a very good game!
I think you may get your wish regardless. I fear we'll capitulate but here's hoping...
arsene'd sign someone like Michael Johnson, or maybe GElson
Please can everyone stop thinking he is. He had three good games at the start of the season and the fact he's been virtually anonymous ever since doesn't seem to matter.
which you are.
still, fit and proper persons, don't get into bed with dodgy dictators, etc....okay, i feel a bit bad taking the high horse, but i realy can't say i'm surprised with the man, it just seems...inevitable.
so there'll be no return to English football just yet for his comedy accent.
I mean it's a kind of obvious rumour to start as he's an ex-City player but at the same time I suppose it's also an obvious signing to make as we need a striker and he's an ex-Bristol City player.
Probably be a good move though. He struggled last season but I think he potentially can score goals in the Premier League and if we go up we do need someone who can do that...
Given what Chopra and Earnshow cost Sunderland and Derby last season it'd be a bargain...
at bolton f or that price
After he scored, he picked up form a lot. He'd be a good buy.
I'd like to see him come to us permanently but I doubt we have the money.
Surely he's worth more than that?
priced at £10m, I'd have thought double that would be reasonable.
I guess probably.
As for us, we've got the second Trillium Cup match. For the first time in our (admittedly, short) history, we can go 5 unbeaten! :D
There's certainly sides around that benefit from wider/longer pitches and more space (Aldershot certainly did when in our league) and we struggle on a big pitch, so I can imagine the reverse being true.
However, I'm guessing this will be to try and counteract good wing-play, but the sides Stoke will need to beat to have a chance of staying up play through the middle...
It sounds like a poor idea, and one that doesn't really put the club in a particularly good light.
suggest the idea is going to be to stifle play as much as possible and stop others from playing. With a 4-5-1 formation you'd pack the midfield, and if your central three are good enough would manage to stop those teams from playing through the middle.
might have realised that attempting to defend games will get them nowhere, the one thing most relegated teams suffer from is a lack of goals.
This smaller pitch strategy really places Stoke's set-piece goals in high regard. They'll need to score more from open play to survive.
As for packing the midfield: I'm not sure they have the squad to do it. We have a solid defence but our midfield basically contains Liam Lawrence!
Wasn't he their top scorer, or something stupid?
By all accounts he's pretty nifty.
And to be fair, his scoring rate was largely only that high because he took penalties/free kicks at Orient.
just keeps getting better and better every time i watch it :) :)
oh and dom, you'r just bitter because we beat you at your place/ managed to accrue 9 more points over the course of the season. If any team didn't deserve promotion this year i think you'll find it's yours!!
ON ON ON
Cracking tournament so far and the two best teams have made it to the final. France and Spain. Had a really good 3-3 draw in the group stages that was spoilt slightly by the ref, but hopefully without him it could be a great game.
Pigfoot's four to watch
Spain - Thiago and Keko
France - Fafana and Lacazette
plays for Chelsea I think and has amazing close control, is very raw at times and lacks an end product at times but for natural talent he looks very good.