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Does anyone ever think about Paul Stewart anymore?
"The Infamous DiS thread" is one of the links on his wikipedia page
but that is a wonderful artical.
immediately withdrawn. I still have a printed copy at home.
I know they wern't exactly "the early days" but I'm not that old ok.
most days. i say most days, occasionally. but veyr fondly. for this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnrNFSnr0WQ&NR=1
3 mins 50.
That was glaringly silly of me 'cos that was the first cup final I really remember.
i'm quite proud of the fact that that goal is my earliest memory.... and then des walker, wondergoal.
And why are his opinions on Spurs Forest important?
though i think he was more the year before it all
by the time he ended up at Forest.
oh how i long for a hero now
for forgotten big-name signings...Ipswich signing Sixto Peralta?
Surely one of the most expensive British flops of all time.
rebrov, certainly. illie dimitrescue.
and played for Leeds and Palace.
I just thought I'd throw his name into the thread as he was fat and useless!
some would say, 'in the wrong place', though that's subjective
It's wrong I know but I can't help it!
And is it too early to say Samaras?
Alves & Tuncay for starters.
And then pretty much every foreign signing made by Rafael Benitez bar the obvious exceptions such as Torres and Alonso.
He has signed some serious flops though, I'll grant you that.
and maybe Reina too. The other two haven't been here long enough to warrant much of an opinion either way to be honest, but for every Torrs there's been an Insua, Lucas, Babbel, Arbeloa and Itendje.
Torres and Babel.
Lucas I think could still prove himself.
And the less said about Fernando Morientes the better...
As I'm sure most Liverpool fans have too...
Insua, Lucas and Babel are all under 21 - maybe a bit early to write them off. Arbeloa has been a very solid performer this year and that leaves your reserve goalie. Fair enough, Benitez has spent a lot in the transfer market but has often offloaded quite quickly if it didn't work and generally either made money or not lost a lot.
Not consistently great but he's showing signs of promise.
to warrant pushing talented young English players down the divisions or out of the game altogether.
See also Fulham and their overseas army, Antti Niemi and Brian McBride being the possible exceptions.
Fulham are another matter altogether, foreign players are cheaper that's why clubs do it.
who improve the standard of the English game, but journeymen who're just here for the easy dollar and not a lot else, nah, sorry, can't condone it (and we've been guilty of it as anyone in the past - Silenzi, Jerkan, Mannini, Petrachi, Matrecano et al).
I don't think Tuncay is ever going to be the difference between Boro being anything more than a bottom 6 club, and players like Billy Sharp, Andy Robinson, Aaron MacLean, Jermaine Beckford, Frazer Campbell, Joe Garner, Kyle Lafferty and Freddy Eastwood to name but 8 probably wouldn't do any worse.
Tuncay is a class above all those players, he scored a hat-trick against Man Utd in the Champions League last season.
against Man Utd in a one-off cup tie earlier this season.
Doesn't make him a world class player though does it?
At the end of the day, if a player at any level can't get himself motivated for a match against world renowned opposition you have to question what he's actually doing there in the first place.
..I'm sure he was probably earning more at Fenerbahce than he will for Boro, they have a fair amount of cash.
Steve Gibson doesn't pay peanuts either.
pretty much think Tuncay is the best player every to pull on a pair of boots.
He came to the Premiership as a challenge, not for an easy dollar. If it was all about the money he would have stayed in Turkey.
I don't think you can really pass comment on him (or Alves) until the end of next season.
Back to the original question:
and, of course, Alen Boksic...
were very unlucky with injuries...
in the initial post but no, from what I've seen so far he doesn't warrant being labelled world class, and unfortunately its players like him and several of his also-ran colleagues (Pogatetz, Rochemback, Aliadiere) that do nothing to help the English game prosper as a whole.
Not that I'm just singling out Middlesbrough as its a symptom of the English game sadly, particularly at the highest level.
you did say future. I just think Tuncay has done enough this season to suggest he will be a very good signing.
Alves, despite his goal scoring exploits in Holland, I'm not convinced about. £12 million for a 27 year old is a huge amount of money for a club like 'boro.
Middlesbrough do give young English players a chance though - Downing, Wheater, Taylor etc. It's just for some reason our Academy seems incapable of producing home grown strikers.
are big money.