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Sport and politics are seperate issues?
However, I can't see this video due to work-thought-police.
can you explain please
1: to afford or give pleasure or satisfaction
2: like, wish <do as you please>
3: archaic : to have the kindness <will you please to enter the carriage — Charles Dickens>
1: to give pleasure to : gratify
2: to be the will or pleasure of <may it please Your Majesty>
what's this thread bout anyway?
is to the 'If You Don't Do Politics, You Don't Do Much' advert that was run a few years ago and will probably crop up again in the run up to the next general election.
Its all about how politics isn't a seperate issue to much of anything
but at the same time i don't think it's fair for the athletes to suffer the loss of their competition because the organisers don't have strong political views on such a subject.
out of interest, why did the US get to host it in 1984, and 1996? did it have anything to do with return boycotting in 1984?
1996 - Atlanta, also the home of Coca Cola
my favourite part was when she was interviewed afterwards and was asked "are you wearing a Free Tibet t shirt under your tracksuit?" and announced she was wearing nothing underneath
I find her rather hawt.
that's not protesting, that's vandalism or assault. it is a massive issue though, that seems to have been vastly overlooked for years. i remember an interesting debate at uni where the Chinese ambassador came in, and failed to properly answer any questions on why they feel the need to occupy Tibet. There was one rather outnumbered pro-occupation Chinese person there who to his credit tried to put forward his ideas, but I felt he had been indoctrinated by his upbringing (obviously that was just my opinion, given that i feel they should hand back power).
as everyone is, hence my last statement.
and it's certainly the internets!
Peaceful protest wouldn't have got nearly so many Tibet flag-waving protesters on TV screens around the world
Doesn't change the fact that a lot weren't and have dominated the coverage
insomuch as people who are not too concerned about the issue will now have even lesser opinions of those who think something needs to be done.
How can you be so sure of how people will react?
yes it gets the cause onto the front page, but the opinions you hear down the local boozer are of people talking about hippies thugs and what not, rather than picking up on what they are trying to protest
it gives a bad impression of peaceful protestors.
i guess i am just generalising, but i don't think it's a wise way to get your voice heard.
i'm not even making sense any more. oh well, free tibet please.
and think that had the protest remained peaceful and inactive, all we would have heard in terms of media coverage would have been how grand a job the Met Police/Olympic organisers had done
to your sentence of human rights/hypocrisy.
I think the only time and place for protest is when the attention is on you and you can inconvenience whoever it is you happen to be protesting against. Otherwise you are just a bunch of people standing about.
I don't think that it would suit this particular cause. Can you honestly see peaceful protest working against China?
Besides, this protest was all about PR and getting attention rather than changing anything on the ground, like Ghandi's were (they took place in the area in which the issue was rooted, unlike yesterday's events). I think the protesters were successful in that regard
Like, no protesters? No protesters ever? All sounds good to me....
No freedom of movement
No freedom of speech
yeah, sounds great
I mean, I don't actually want to move to China. But I'd like it if we stopped protests here....
can we do something about female suffrage please? I've changed my mind.
being able to sit on the bus and that. Outrageous.
by people throwing around banners and starving themselves.....
Further evidence that woman can't think clearly enough to be involved in politics
You seemed to be suggesting that because I disagree with protests, I should logically disagree with female suffrage.
Blame your own lack of coherency.
that you are a woman. Poor dear, you've clearly got lost on the way to the kitchen
But that would just be stupid, so I think you should probably go with the coherency thing.
Men are talking
Like a morse code? For thoughts? You'd be intense at occlumancy for sure.
very very fair point
Sport and politics should very much be twinned when the result of the sport is to clearly provide financial help to a government that are suspect.
Clearly you can't apply any sort of blanket ruling here as one person's dodgy regime is another's great government but I think it's fair for people to protest like this. If the IOC wants to put money first then they accept the consequences.
The problem I have with anyone who came out with the 'sports and politics should be separate issues' line is that it is sort of irrelvant as the Olympics and politics are very much twinned
I heard a journalist on the radio last week who claimed that sport and politics were totally separate, then did not offer one coherent reason why they were separate.
Of course there is a political aspect to something as global as the Olympics.
Sport and Politics should of course be separate. But nowadays, with the huge amounts of money involved, professionalism, governments assisting in bids for major sporting events, how can anyone say that they don't impact each other.
I understand why some people would say otherwise, but its a romantic ideal from years gone by that will never return
Ironically, this whole "olympic torch thing, together with the opening and clsing ceremonies, were introduced at the 1936 Berlin Olympics at the "suggestion" of Hitler
This (p.6) seems to suggest there was some Nazi party involvement at least.
"The modern torch relay was introduced by Carl Diem, president of the Organization Committee for the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin, as part of an effort to turn the games into a glorification of the Third Reich."
I meant the torch relay
That is after all their job. I just wouldn't condemn the protesters either. We have to be careful when talking about 'peaceful protest'. Sure, the protesters got rowdy and one even tried to grab the flame, but it isn't like they went on a full scale assault.
Admittedly support of the Beijing Olympics isn't support of the Chinese regime. But it is pretty hypocritical when put in a context of Brown, the EU and NATO having previously been very vocal and active about other human rights infringements
Surely you find it apposite that your enjoyment has been undermined in the same way as various Tibetans have found the enjoyment of their lives undermined by forced relocation, confiscation of property and torture?
someone would only say that to cause a bit of controversy.
Any and all youtube videos with the protests in them seem to be being flooded by a pro-Chinese faction of posters in the comments.
She couldn't give a damn about either the protests or the Olympics. All she is concerned about is getting her face in the papers and on TV.
Hey! Anyone that cute and innocent-looking is beyond criticism! Think of her as the emperor PuYi in this regard.
with nothing on beneath the tracksuit.
...running through the streets of London, assaulted suddenly by a Free-Tibet protester wielding a fire extiguisher?
The Olympic Flame is sadly doused in retardant foam. But worse, Konnie is soaked through... which she seems to be enjoying as she slowly pulls the zip of her sodden Olympic hoodie down...
Shame the athletes are caught in the middle due to the stupid arrogant twats running the IOC.