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...but my understanding is Jesus got nailed to across so we didn't have to.
Can someone explain picture 4 on here?
the ku klux klan hijacked the whole pointy hat thing.
It looks like some bizarre cross between Birth Of A Nation, Prisoner Cell Block H and Last Of The Summer Wine.
Basically, it's the greatest film never made.
I meant photo 3. But Photo 4 probably needed explaining too...
That's horrendous, if it's real.
Photo 3: There are people in the Philippines who demonstrate their devotion to God by actually getting crucified.
There was a documentary about it featuring Dominic Diamond getting crucified himself. He didn't make it. And then everybody hated him.
waiting in gaol for supreme justice in the form of the Poo Flux Man (he is the opposite of the Ku Klux Flan) and he large unwieldy scythe.
Allow me: In Spain around this time of the year, towns will have a massive parade featuring folk dressed up in KKK-esque costumes. They also have floats depicting in garish cartoonery, various scenes from the easter story.
I know this because I was in a small town near Seville at the time of one of these parades and no-one told me about the costumes, or the insane giant cartoon Jesuses nailed to papier mache crosses.
celebrating a father giving up his son to a tortuous and painful death.
I can understand jesus being a traditional calindrical dying and reborning king (like the year) but all the other stuff about suffering to forgive us our sins seems a bit bizarre, i mean, I, and most humans are not really sinful........we do behaviours that society defines as wrong, because it is harmful to society, but we are only animals after all, the worst most of us do that is wrong, is being too weak to be strong to do that which we think we should do.
The idea of the whole jesus sacrifice thing seems a little divorced from trying to rectify this.
A few people are sociopathic and seem to enjoy cruelty, but it would seem to be difficult to judge such people as I have different values, all one can do is to prevent their ability to hurt.
Im all for spreading peace and love, and im sure that it causes reciprocation, the whole torture and bloody crucifiction thing seems at odds with this, to me.......then agian some people like gory films and stuff, some dont.
The most bizarre thing about hte whole image on the cross thing is that it had been used for an incredibly wide range of personal representations, some people apparently even get horny over it....wierd.
thrust his blade into jesus's side to kill him whilst he was on the cross (although the cross ould not have been of the type that christians seem to have crucifixes made in the shape of)
after the whole crucifcation palava
he suffocated. that was how crucification on the cross worked. the position you were in meant that your lung capacity slowly got smaller and smaller with each breath. which is pretty cack.
I'm assuming this is in reply to Creaky - if the point of crucifixion is to slowly suffocate the victim, then it is indeed possible that a compassionate bystander would have done something like stab the crucified to hasten proceedings, as it were.
idea about hope, and rebirth of hope about the crucifiction story, thats fine, there is an awful lot of distracting add ons to this though, which alienates those that do not come from a conventional christian beleif, from being able to use this story for their own......which I think is a shame
Or would he have just been tied?
whe he got nailed
cos he was brave and compassionate and understanding.....and he spaketh a lot of dread.
What would be most groovy would be if people could try to emulate him in many ways, and be bravely excellant to each other
That's a nice delusion. In reality, people who are compassionate and understanding don't get crucified by the authorities. Obnoxious, divisive and destabilising reactionaries do.
And we already live in a society where people are excellent to each other. That's why we're all rich and the trains run at over 80% punctuality.
What might a society where people aren't excellent to each other might look like, you may ask? I'd say it looks a lot like Afghanistan.
Of course, my Texas-based father has a different take on the situation, which he enlightened me with the other day. To wit:
Easter Story, My Story My Peace
It is Easter time again. It is that time of year when we, who are Christians, recall and celebrate the coming of Jesus Christ to this world, his death for us sinners, his resurrection, and his ascension to heaven after many days of his appearing to all his disciples. He did all this to ransom sinners like me. And I am grateful to God, and glad to share this with you in hope that you will understand everything and avail yourself of the grace of God available through Jesus Christ alone.
Sunday March 16, was Palm Sunday. It was the day Jesus Christ rode the foal of an ass (donkey) and entered Jerusalem for the last time. That day, throngs of people met him, and they worshipped him spreading their garments and palm leaves on the road for him to ride upon as they would a King. They were glad and were singing and shouting Hosanna! Hosanna! Blessed be he who comes in the name of the Lord! They appeared to love him. Why not? He has done many great miracles for them. He healed their diseases, restored their blind sight, brought back their dead to life, fed them with free food, comforted them by speaking kindly to them, and assured them of a good tomorrow. The hope he gave them is not the sort that fails. So they shouted Hosanna! They loved him, or did they?
Friday March 21, is Good Friday. It was the day that all the people and their rulers who were shouting Hosanna on Sunday changed their love song to a chorus of hate. On that day they shouted Crucify him! Crucify him, though Pilate declared that he had not found him guilty of anything deserving death. And when Pilate offered them the opportunity to reconsider their demand and for them to revert back to the song of love, they refused and became more vehement in their call for his death. Eventually, they saved a robber and slew the Prince life.
However, He did not die in vain. No, not as long as people like me know that we needed his death to redeem us from having to pay for our sins which we committed against God. His death purchased for us eternal salvation, a reunion with him and with God, his Father and with the Holy Spirit. That is why God sent him, and that is why he came into this world. I have accepted the grace he proffered, the gift of eternal life, when I repented of my sins and went to him in prayer and asked him to forgive me. I am eager to tell you this, my son, so you can know that I am a changed person. And also so that you too may examine your life and consider the benefits of accepting the grace that Jesus Christ offers.
In the Bible the book of ROMANS chapter 6:26 says, “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
In the Gospel of JOHN chapter 3: 17-18 we read “For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. 18 He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
You can see that contrary to what many are saying, God is Love and he loves us so very much that he died in our place in order to justify us. It is like a judge volunteering to serve the sentence of the criminal. Is that not amazing?
God is good, and Jesus Christ’s love is amazing. What God has given to mankind by Christ is invaluable. Will you consider the love of God today my son, and embrace Jesus Christ? Please do.
He said, in the book of Revelations chapter 3:19, “As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. 20Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with me”.
23 Now may cthe God of peace Himself dsanctify 7you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body ebe preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 He who calls you is ffaithful, who also will gdo it. – 1 Thessalonians 5:23
picking and choosing in that argument
but in Germany the trains run more punctually (and Spain)
Does this mean that Germans and Spanish are MORE excellant to each other?
Also in India I seemed to remember transport being rubbish, yet people were excellant to me there.
Srsly....if you notice, i did say 'bravely excellant' which means cuting through politeness and comfortableness.
Also people in this country are not necessarily understanding particularly....to an extent our society norms use legislation to ensure 'excellance to each other' to the 'legal degree' that is required.
Unfortunately if it is not legislated for then you will often find that excellance is not always attempted.
You are wrong to compare societies when talking about excellance.....the UK may have more society rules and legislation insisting on standards of behaviour to others.....to a degree.
To try to suggest that people in afghanistan are less excellant is wrong....the country is in extremis....do you not imagin given the same extreme external (to oneself) factors that people in britain would not also not treeat people excellantly?
It is easy to be 'mildly and politely decent to others in this country. but we are normally ony excellant to those we love.....what a shame we dont love more people
Then why don't their trains as reliable as ours. And why do they viciously oppose liberté, égalité, fraternité to such a degree that they've forced more sensible nations to come in and try to enforce sense?
no Dead Christ by Holbein and no Weinkruzifix by Arnulf Rainer (.... This would be a bad thing)
the Weinkruzifix (Wine Crucifix) is on display at the Tate at the moment..