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I'm going to watch this shortly if this rapidshare dump is genuine.
Is it really that good?
Forget about all those rubbish people going on about the 'indie' factor and just watch it, you'll enjoy it.
If you like sarcastic teenagers who sound like they're just reading from a script, a million embarrassing pop culture references and a whole load of BLAH that doesn't go anywhere, GO FOR IT :)
I reaaally enjoyed it!
the joke about Morgan Freeman and the "do you need any bones collecting?" line.
Why, of all the things to say, would anyone in the whole world ever say that?
not at all irritating.
in. the. slightest.
Would probably pork the girl (pregnant or not) but only if she stopped talking like a fucking idiot. Though I suppose putting my cock in her mouth would shut her up pretty quick.
My copy is a DVDRip.
half the script makes you cringe. SHUT UP ABOUT SONIC YOUTH ALREADY. WE KNOW YOU'RE COOL. SHUT UP.
"The Hoosiers of the film world".
So obviously constructed to be a 'cool' cult film.
Despite this ^ i quite enjoyed it.
I laughed when Juno said "Kud-os!"
Do Americans actually say that? I just thought it was a myspace thing. o.O
Play a game, count the Sunny D references.
Metropolis Street Racer on the Dreamcast did. Project Gotham Racing just elaborated on it.
with those little colourful hatching things on sonic.
i'd have given those kudos!
Very old word.
is worthy of a couple of hours of my time.
it's basically the michael bay of indie film: with coke product placement replaced with cool underground indie signifier placement. also incredibly patronising. and the girl is pretty irritating.
with the painting the rainbow over the room thing except 90 minutes long and featuring a sarcastic annoying teenage girl.
that's the worst advert ever. I'll watch it anyway though, cos I like Michael Cera and being patronised.
wes anderson is the michael bay of "indie" film. i dont think the girl was nearly as irritating as his characters usually are...
but enough of my friends do want to see it for it to seem likely I will
DP's cover of 'Crush' by Jennifer Page is amaing/terrifying.
But yes, they've unfortunately split :(
Like a mix of PT Anderson, Tim Burton and Wes Anderson.
With a score by Battles.
film looks shite, mind.
then I was joking, Battles don't soundtrack the film.
I also wasn't referring to Battles because they're shite too. I was referring to the band 'Juno'
plays in Ghost Wars now, there was a track at myspace.com/ghostwarsmusic, can't check at work if there's any more up now though. The track I heard was damn good, kind of like the slow build intro to The French Letter but with some male/female vocal harmonies
Is there a parkour scene in Juno? No Parkour = big fat ju-NO
i liked it. it was cute and funny. the dialogue felt especially scripted and wasnt natural and stuff, but i can forgive it because it was just nice and made me happy.
i would fully recommend it.
made me want to burn my eyes out and kill all indie fans.
a cold hearted machine.
I don't get all the hate. You've just got to enjoy it for what it is. It's sweet and cute and funny and that's it really. Just depends on whether you enjoy that sort of thing.
now go buy the soundtrack please.
but pretty poor all things considered, infuriatingly irritating at times.
It has at least finally convinced me that plinky-plonky antifolk is inimical to good art though.
everyone's like oh what a sleeper hit, an indie film that's taking on the big boys from such modest roots blah blah
Still funded by fox, even though under their pseudo-indie "searchlight" subsidiary
And it's being very very heavily advertised EVERYWHERE so it's not exactly word-of-mouth at it's finest is it?
As an aside, I think the acting is excellent (even jennifer garner is great) but the script is woeful.
I saw it preview last year at the LFF. The director was there and introduced Diablo Cody onstage by saying "you're going to remember this moment for the rest of your lives, you'll tell your grandchildren that you were there when Diablo Cody was at the Juno premiere blah blah blah" like she's some sort of fucking genius
Her script is shite. The film is saved by the acting. And the soundtrack nearly made me vomit several times, especially the velvet underground one- GAG
produced by John Malkovich and featuring lots of known name actors and actresses. actually, I don't think there was a main actor or actress in it that I hadn't seen in things before.
'Diablo Cody is the pen name of Brook Busey-Hunt'
excellent acting by all. especially Ellen Page in the lead role. Yes the script was a little contrived here and there, but as someone else said, it's saved by the cast. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought the sound track was dreadful.
so what? all of these american pseudo "independent" films are like that these days...
but the whole PR campaign for juno pitches it as the quirky unique underdog made for 10p by a bunch of lucky chancers, when in fact its probably one of the most cynical and patronising films i've ever seen. its 95% marketing and 5% enjoyable bits, and the enjoyable bits were hard to enjoy when they were so surrounded by the stench of fakeness.
i thought there was much less of that relative to what ive come to expect of that kind of film...
i havent really paid much attention to the PR campaign other than noticing a few posters to be honest.
with far too many daria-esque sarcastic bits of dialogue, self-conscious teenage slang and references to indie bands to ever feel like normal conversations. it wanted to be 'cool' more than it wanted to be in any way realistic.
im tempted to say
"so what? all of these american pseudo "independent" films are like that these days..."
i grant the script was a bit clunky in places, ive seen much worse get praised though, i thought the acting was by and large pretty good and there was genuine emotion in the story.
im pretty skeptical when people complain about the 'realism' or otherwise of things like this. or do you object to this kind of pseudo imdependent film wholesale?
its good because its a cartoon and it knows that the daria character is silly.
why would not finding this film realistic mean that i would object to all 'independent' film wholesale? which i dont by the way. i had a feeling that little miss sunshine would be overly cynical and annoying and hipster due to the rather cynical advertising, but luckily it turned out to be hilarious and heartwarming. juno turned out how i thought little miss sunshine would before i'd seen it.
and, it doesnt necessarily mean that you would object to it, i was just wondering if you did. i think you could make the case that this sort of thing is never 'realistic'. what people regard as 'realistic' in this sort of thing tends to vary quite a lot... i was just wondering if not liking juno was a symptom of a wider dislike. evidently not though.
i can understand that, but to criticise it for its marketing is stupid. Especially when you have this indier than thou attitude towards it..'how dare they call it indie they dont even know what real indie is'
what real indie is!
The marketing irritates me sure, but hey, lots of films I like have had an irritating marketing strategy
I just don't like it because the script is shite
the miramax and sundance explosions etc, there's not reaaaally been much of a proper indie underground; the markets been analysed and so if a film has appeal then it will get made and get shown in the right places. Peter Biskind's book Down And Dirty Pictures covers it all really well; he'd no doubt have a lot to say about Juno.
because in this case the content reflects the packaging. every piece of soundtrack music, every line of dialogue, every bit of hipster slang, clothing worn, is aimed at a certain demographic who also like things that are (supposedly) uncommercial and unique and cool.
if something warrants it.
what it is aimed at is irrelevant. what matters is how you respond to it. if you go on with a cynical attitude of 'i dont like this because it is aimed at x' then you won't like it, obviously.
ultimately the point is whether it's any good or not. I don't think it is... and it riles us all when everyone's raving about something we think is not what it's cracked up to be
I think the "stench of fakeness" does actually get in the way of how much I enjoyed it though unfortunately
Superbad did the whole teen movie thing much much better IMO, and was ultimately much more touching without the relentless twee assault
i never knew any teenagers who were so unselfconsciously twee and self satisfied as the ones in juno. the ones in superbad were indeed somehow far more real and relatable despite the stupidity of the subject matter.
Within the context of um, normal characters, like Michael Cera in superbad etc
However when the film is full of them it all gets bit much (Napoleon Dynamite etc)
the way its marketed, which we were.
the adverts on this site? on pitchfork?
they must send out press releases saying how indie it is because because every article on it i've seen has stressed its underdog amateur indieness.
it's her first screenplay isn't it? That's all I know. I'm sure the adverts on here and pitchfork are due to the Moldy Peaches/Kimya Dawson connection. So what?
Side note: I found the namedropping pretty cringeworthy but probably most people don't count the Melvins and the Stooges among their favourite bands (even though they should obviously) so wouldn't have even noticed it going on.
Anyway, I enjoyed this film. It was good. 7/10. The acting was great. I would probably be a bit mental if I was Jason Bateman playing a pretty slimy dude in everything.
has nothing to do with the film itself. it isnt indie. we're all aware of that. no-one really cares. i mean, its on in the big chain cinemas. it is a given that it isnt.
sure, maybe they've played up the 'underdog' thing to a level which goes beyond the true roots of the claim, but y'know, thats the way cinema works.
if you don't like the film, you don't like the film. i can see why there are objectionable aspects. the script is not 'realistic'. but your objections seem totally unfounded. you're complaining at how it is marketed and the people its aimed at. these are absurd bases for objection. the film is what it is. if you're busy focusing on the reasons behind every decision made in the creation or marketing of it, looking for flaws, clearly you aren't going to enjoy it. see it for what it is. if you don't like that, then you don't like it. thats fine. but you're criticisms are largely non-sensical.
anyone mentions when the films comes up for discussion
It's just plain wrong to say that it's an indie film when it's not! I'm not protesting at an opinion which doesn't exist!
when you are actually watching a movie it's the actual content that matters. A couple of the standout things to come out of the movie for me was the maturity shown by the lead and her peers towards pregnancy and elements of life in general. I also thought the film down-played the over dramatics and loaded it with poignancy, which imo is what makes this movie so good.
I couldn't give a shit about the marketing when I found it to be a thoroughly enjoyable film.
maturity, more completely ignoring most of the problems a pregnant teenage would have. she's almost inhuman in fact. which is why its able to be 'poignant' rather than dramatic/realistic.
so whats the point of it other than to be completely smug?
i'll end my contribution to this thread with this:
Jasey2007 (4 hours ago)
went to see this yesterday! some parts were so funny omg! the part where she talks about the running boy's bulges was totally eww and my friends think im weird coz i fancy pauly but i think hes a cute nerd not a nerdy nerd if you get my drift
If so I might consider watching it.
i think there's actually an ultimate rejection of 'hipsterishness' or whatever you want to call it. i don't think thats post-modern thinking. its just what the film quite clearly and openly says.
I found it an refreshing approach that finding out your pregnant at 16years needn't be a life sentence. Something that could be learnt from a country with the highest rate of teenage pregnancies in Europe.
I was a bit sceptical at first, but I really enjoyed it.
and I thought it was great. My friends that I went with didn't like it as much but they're really cynical. I can see that it played up the indie-ness and everything but I just thought it was really funny and sweet and all the acting was great.
I've seen a film!
The bit where they go on about Sonic Youth made me want to headbutt myself. And the bit where they talk about horror films.
It wasn't brilliant, but it wasn't bad, per se. It had the wrong affect on me though. Now I just wanna have a kid.
The first half was pretty funny in how predictable / indie-by-numbers it was. Animated opening credits / strummy sorta pleasant music / dialogue no one would ever use in the real world, and if they did, they wouldnt have any friends / popular culture references shoehorned in pretty awkwardly.
SOME pretty cringey bits- Sonic Youth references, the horror stuff, etc...
BUT it was all pretty nice and inoffensive. Michael Cera was brilliant, and it was just something worth getting lost in for a couple of hours.
Anyway who has strongly negative opinions towards this is basically a) probably thinking too much b) went into the film with a pretty negative attitude and c) a big fat silly.
the animated opening credits if i could, who needs friends when youre drawn with crayon.
I start too many sentences with anyway.
I hate it when people critiise a film for trying to be cool or indie or whatever, seems like just trying to make a statement about their own coolness, take it at face value and then either like it or dont
if there wasn't an american exchange student who speaks EXACTLY like Juno in my class (with all the slightly strange language and sonic youth references)
as it was, i thought it was gr8. Some really clunky bits at the start but it got loads better. Yay.
this. claiming that a baby will 'always have a better life with the birth parents' is a fairly grand assumption!
its complete arse. she's a terrible actor
serious slaps needed for this film and everything to do with it
Some vague similarities, the story's about pregnancy etc, but it's a much more interesting, genuine look at family life than Juno's wisecracking ways. It's equally funny, if not funnier, and tackles the situation with much more depth. Amy Adams is fantastic in it, and it's also got whassisface who played Ryan in the OC - he's pretty good in this, unrecognisable from his other work. It was really cheap on Amazon about a month ago, watch it!
(But don't watch Jenni, Juno, the South Korean film, it's quite dull).
dont Juno's parents call her Junebug?
It's a bit incredulous/stupid that the creators of Juno didn't google the title and realise that there are two other pregnancy-related films with similar titles.
well, i'd hope
being a deliberate 'reference' to the garden state shins scene? only ten times worse?
about juno was ten times worse than garden state...
I like Michael Cera a lot as an actor and a lot of the supporting cast are good. Ellen Page is a bit overly-quirky in the title role.
On the whole the film tries to hard to be quirky but it's an enjoyable enough ninety-six minutes that'll leave no impact on your life whatsoever.
I can tolerate the main character on basis of what how many of us can honestly say they weren't a pretentious snob trying too hard in their teens? and the sympathies of the film seem to lie more with the non-hip characters. the running gag about Cera's outfits is a bit too Wes Anderson, of course.
Obviously arguing about the indie-credibility of this film is always quite pointless. it was produced by Fox, with a name cast, massive marketing, directed by a guy who's previous film was fairly big and not in the indie ghetto (and who nepotism-charge-wise is the son of director of Ghostbusters etc)
didn't like the way the film was about a female being corrected. first she's giving it all the "what, did you think because we had sex i was going to marry you? hahaha"
"i love watching their junk swing around in their shorts"
and by the end "i just need to know that two people can stay together forever"
shit hollywood indoctrination of youth
the anti-abortionness of this film and knocked up are very american, but then if they'd had abortions then we'd have no hilarious comedy
Where the guy goes "She decides to give her child up adoption (no abortion, the film isn't that liberal)". I was like WTF, if she had the abortion the film would've been 20 minutes long
It's frustrating that nobody can decide to have a baby in an American film without it being discussed in terms of political ramifications.
Plus I find it a tad hypocritical. If you're pro-choice and believe the person's free to choose then surely they're as free to choose to have a baby as to not have a baby?
was that Juno never questioned giving up her baby, and there was no wide-eyed baby scene where she asks everyone if she's doing the right thing.
i liked it, it was enjoyable. but didn't blow me away and i certainly don't understand the hype.
there were lots of bits that i hated, the 'cool band' references and the bit where he was like 'you've not heard the carpenters like THIS' and also the horror movie references.
i also hated the teenage slang dialogue.
It was enjoyable but not nearly as good as the hype suggested.
Recenetly the only film I've seen which lives upto the hype is Superbad.
I thought the support cast was good, especially Michael Cera and Juno's dad. Juno herself was one of the most irritating characters I've witnessed on screen. So many times jokes fell flat because of her bad delivery, whilst the other two I've mentioned made laughs from not as funny stuff with their acting.
A lot of the dialogue felt really scripted, I think maybe because most of the film was her talking, and it felt disjointed. There was no natural flow to it, mostly because the script seemed to be a vehicle to say how amazing their taste in music was. The final scene made me want to rip my eyeballs out.
The more I think about it, the more I dislike it actually.
is on BBC2 this Saturday if anyone cares
Still not seen Juno
what i did think when i watched the movie but only clicked now....
it was Jupiter and Juno.
not Zeus and Juno.
Zeus and Hera.
about the allegation that ellen page wrote Juno..
'She wrote it?! Bitch please. She's a decent actress but originality is probably not her forte. Acting inspiration for Juno. See Daria and Ghost World. I bet Thora Birch is more than a little pissed while she sits at home eating ice cream waiting for her career to come a'knockin!'
sums it up i think.
have seen it on here? It's good but it's not that good.