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First at footbll matches, now at F1 testing :o
This place really needs an edit or delete function!
given that you are presumably against prejudice and discrimination based on race or origin?
...he's probably a dirty rascist Spaniard.
British people though.
At least in a sporting context.
In my experience, British (read English) people are by far and away the most racist nationality.
and its not like you can really measure it anyway. im just saying labelling the spanish as racists is a bit stupid
Trying to compare between two nationalities was pretty ridiculous of me, as it just involves making generalisations and being an idiot yourself.
(Having said that, I have met comparatively more racist English people than any other nationality)
(This isn't really relevant)
such behaviour would be condoned by British people? NOWHERE.
I wasn't saying that all British people/British sports fans are dirty racists who can't stand foreigners and I hate them all and blablablabla.
I was just saying that in *MY* experience, I have encountered a higher proportion of racist English people than any other nationality. Obviously, my experiences aren't representative of everyone else's and I never said they were.
And yes, there is a lot of racism in Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Do you know why that is? It's because sadly, there's a lot of racism everywhere you go.
of Spanish people?
enough to label every single spanish person as racist?
of misreading posts?
where exactly did I say every Spanish person was racist?
after i criticised them for generalising all spaniards as racist.
in my personal experience and based on what my Spanish friends have told me of their opinions, I believe that there probably ARE a higher proportion of racists/xenophobes in Spain.
Which isn't the same thing as saying all Spaniards are racists.
just the title and the way its phrased being prejudiced
just as if i posted a thread saying
the british - tea drinkers
it wouldn't mean all british people enjoy drinking tea, merely that its very common for british people to drink tea.
I don't really have "extensive" experience of British people though either.
It's one of the consequences of only ever having attended international schools.
I just assumed you would have rather more experience of British people?
You are British right? or I might have been confused about that?
why I've noticed more racism from English people than Spanish.
Actually, that's beside the point. I've just found that whilst in conversation with English people, you're more likely to hear some off-hand ironic/casual/"light-hearted" racist remark.
Overall, I think British/English people have a pretty bad reputation with regards to how "racist" they're perceived as.
Having said that, there are bigots and idiots everywhere you go, and I was just unfortunate enough to have met a small number of racist English people.
more general attitudes are worse in spain than they are in britain? so, less the casual remarks and more attitudes to immigrants and stuff?
You live in Brussels in the ultra sheltered world of the Eurocrat gravy train. Don't try and pass off whatever second hand anti-Brit prejudices you've inherited from your parents as anything of any significance whatsoever.
she's just talking about her experiences. why would you just start making shitty assumptions about people like that?
not to make generalisations, by making some pretty huge ones yourself. It's lovely to see that within that beautifully patronising remark you displayed some of your own prejudices.
I don't actually live in an ultra sheltered "gravy train" world, thanks. And no, my parents aren't embittered Irish nationalists either.
What makes you so sure I've inherited any kind of anti-Brit prejudices from my parents? Maybe I should tell you that after my parents divorced, they both remarried to English people. So yeah, I don't actually have any "inherited" prejudices.
In fact, I was speaking from my own personal experiences concerning English people *I*, not my parents, have met. Of which I have plenty to speak of.
So, basically, fuck off.
with an excellent closing line.
they probably didn't like you because of your potty mouth, disgusting!
she meant that she'd be able to understand British people being racist more easily....with the presumption that she doesn't speak Spanish
almost unbelievably stupid of her to use that as the foundation for her ridiculous comments.
where are her "ridiculous comments"?
why dont you reply to her response, instead of fullerov's fairly nonsensical interpretation?
fullerov: No, that's now what I was saying. I was saying that, comparatively, I have met comparatively more English people who displayed racist tendencies than Spanish people who have displayed racist tendencies. That's not to say that there are no racist Spanish people, or that any more than an absolutely tiny minority of English people are racist. And actually, I do speak Spanish.
Alex-in-Ciderland: What the hell is your problem? I'm sorry if I've deeply upset you by claiming that a proportionally tiny amount of English people I've met have been racist. I'm struggling to see what heinous remarks you think I've made.
They were going by their friends who'd gone over to Ireland to work as doctors.
I didn't think this was the case and reasoned in the end that maybe the British were just better at not showing racist tendencies they felt than other cultures.
The racism in Ireland can be pretty sickening.
It's kind of saddening that the people who thirty years ago would have been faced with "No blacks No Irish" type signs are now complaining about Africans/Eastern Europeans/whatever moving in.
The whole attitude of "I may have sent money off to the black babies when I was youunger, but I didn't think they'd all be coming over years later LOLOLOL" is just pathetic.
white british people are happy to make offhanded racist comments to other british/white people, but not in front of others. stiff upper lip and all that
....so those asian people must have been wrong about it all then and the conclusion that you reached was that British people are more racist, but, cunningly they keep it inside their heads?!
be construed as xenophobic.
I don't have a great knowledge of Spanish people but I'm pretty sure this is an isolated incident.
There does seem to be more racism in football and sports like this, which is sad, but I guess it shows how well England has done to eradicate racist abuse from spectators.
Those people are ridiculously awful, though.
spain had a lot of trouble with racist chanting at football matches a few years ago as another example. it should get more press than it does.
The English football team had the same problems (if not worse) though.
The fact that a tiny proportion of Spanish sport fans are violent racists doesn't mean that they all are. In the same way that just because there are some really awful English football hooligans, not all English people are racist.
i didnt read that carefully enough, i didnt mean to link the sports fans to the whole country.
what i meant was that racist abuse at football matches isnt (or at least a couple of years ago) wasnt 'that' uncommon at some team's grounds. so saying its an 'isolated' incident doesnt really do the problem they had justice. italian football has pretty similar problems. fair enough its a minority, but in certain places that minority runs the club basically.
The spanish are massively notorious for their 'monkey chants' of numerous black footballers in European competitions. That's something which has rarely been in a problem in british football(racism tended to be displayed differently) probably because we have such a multi cultural domestic and international side.
to with the 'football'. I know Eto'o had a lot of trouble with opposition fans.
However it would be very prejudiced to say that all of Spain had a problem.
are properly racist.
...really properly racist.
I never, ever thought I'd see the rise of facism in that country. Especially the Nazi brand.
British people are pretty racist. Not sure about the sporting context but they do seem to have a bad reputation in that area too.
You're right, I know very little about English sport or English sports fans and wasn't trying to claim I did.
My initial reply to fullerov was about the people I have met in general, not sports fans specifically, and I made a stupidly general statement about English people because he made a stupidly general statement about Spanish people.
All I was saying was that of the people I have met, I have met a larger proportion of racist English people. I wasn't saying that this was therefore conclusive evidence that there are more racist English people, or that there are no racist Spanish people.
And contrary to what Alex-in-Ciderland said up there, my opinions don't stem from some sort of inherited misguided patriotism.
I was just talking about personal experience. THAT IS ALL.
is basically true.
lots of spanish friends, and they do tend to be worryingly racist. One of them is a policeman...which is frankly terrifying.
absolutely no racists in England. Completely clean of all that right.
wouldn't have made for such an eye catching thread title!
its true that theres probably alot less emphasis on political correctness in Spain and people take it too far, but we arent all "massive racists"..
i wasnt referring to the thread title at all was i.
the english are just bitter because we raped you in the football twice.
you don't sound bitter about anything.
I live in holland and the amount of casual racism here is quite noticeable. But the same goes for all other European countries too, each country, I find, just expresses it in a different way.
eg in the UK we can slag off and make jokes about scousers stealing cars, irish being stupid and of course, the Germans.
So basically, we're all racist, we just show it in different ways
Xenophobia is a dislike for all foreigners.
Once it's more specified it's Racism
aren't we the same race as Germans and Dutch people? I may be being shockingly ignorant here.
which is actually a bit ignorant..
first football, then F1, now music: http://tinyurl.com/2lrx46
..we should have some kind of racism Olympics to sort this out.
what a title!
Some nationalities may well be 'more' racist than others, but simply because not all cultures are the same, and the way you percieve a culture will be coloured by that which you belong to yourself.
What's your problem, eh? Eh?!
A NASSIVE RACIST
and ignoring the 'the English are far worse' nonsense, i present to you this:
mmmmm minstreltastic. if you think anyone could even leave their house like this in the UK let alone attend a major sporting event, then you're clearly insane.
They fought and died for their independence and Cornwall is officially another country.
I agree with snow_brigade, I don't think British people would allow that king of overt racism.
Although I know some who went to a fancy dress party as Bill Cosby (with full blackface make-up).
In fact let's go to war with Spain.
I'm too old to get called up anyway.