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I think i'm about to get sacked from work, but I'm stangely unbothered. What should I be doing?!
you may never want for blu-tac again!
* flatscreen monitors
then take the key with you. In a week the place will reek
in chairs at school, unscrewed the chairs and stuffed them inside Just before we left but the AS students still had to come back.
apparently the head of sixth form teacher guy was stood On the chair whilst looking in the celing tiles for it.
and how you've taken the company as far as you can go.
because my boss had 'gone home' me and four others left 15 minutes early. He hadn't gone home however, and is now over-reacting to poo. Apparently its 'iminent'
and when you get sacked go to the pub
the guy next to me just advised that this would be optimum time to go on long term sick
"depression" can get you Absolutely ages off.
will likely be my stuff in a box, and a security guard 'assisting' me out. They always do that, even though there isn't a hint of bother....
is really that big a deal? where on earth do you work?
if you ARE going to be sacked, you're not going to get a good reference anyway. Therefore I heartily endorse the fish/milk scheme.
blahblah worked here from whenever to whenever
but that means nothing because most employers will still just pick up the phone to get the low down.
which is as good as a bad reference
and threaten to sue for unfair dismissal...
...unless you've had formal warnings and stuff before, i don't think they can do this...
and apparently its defrauding the company. They reckon its Gross Misconduct. Already apologised, and even avoided having Slanted and Enchanted blaring from my headphones, but no joy...
Unless you've been doing it regularly they're being totally over the top.
They wouldn't have a leg to stand on if you took them to court. They could issue you a warning but that's all they can do. You need three of those before they can sack you.
There must be more or they dont have a chance.
Basically, to get sacked, you need to shit in your bosses mouth whilst he is in a meeting with his main client.
Gross Misconduct – behaviour so serious in its nature that it may warrant severe discipline of the employee concerned by the employer. This discipline may include suspension or even dismissal. Most collective agreements define such ‘offences’ within their Grievance & Disciplinary Procedures but, leniency applied in previous cases, may have built up considerable precedent within any employment as to what actually constitutes ‘gross misconduct’. Typical offences listed under the heading of ‘gross misconduct’ include physical or sexual assault, menacing or threatening behaviour, theft of company or personal property, someone badly under the influence of alcohol or drugs, etc.
do you work for centrica?
ill and go home to avoid it :P
Which is something I did when working in a certain nightclub.
Why don't you stop being such a girl and face up to the fact the you got caught because you are a dishonest, lazy, girlie haired layabout who was lucky to get a job in the first place. Why not pop down the students union and drink cheap cider and moan about the Capatilist vultures and then take up your rightful place on the dole queue. This kind of socialist lethargy makes me sick and we shouldn't entertain this with sentiment, sympathy or really give a flyin f***. Have a nice day.
when you ever happen to take 15 minutes off your work time. and by writing the above post i assume (it's a bit late for a lunchbreak) you're already doing the above.
oh and by the way i'm writing this on my own time. EVERYONE MAKES MISTAKES. what a horrible horrible attitude you have towards this. i deplore it.
I am sorry for voicing an opinion based upon the sound ethic that you must earn your money, which has been the back bone of this country for longer than you and I have existed. The fact that I may have circumstances that, no matter how much I would love to, I cannot work - never mind skive off early - never occured to you. You do sound very intelligent so I am surprised you have little to add to the boys position other than to aim cutting (horrible) remarks at me.I am not perfect, however, the guy is obviously a loser and it is your kind of namby pamby(using your vernacular there)attitude that leaves us with thousands of people claiming benefits for bogus conditions and unwarranted court claims for unfair dismissal. It's is quite easy, you get paid to do a job, you do the job. I certainly hope your job is not based around logic and productivity, because I'm afraid you do not deserve to get paid today. All the best.
'some children would kill for an education like yours' or something. Not true, as who would want to learn German anyway?
there's nothing wrong with german!!
and didnt want to learn it at school as i had no talent for it, was much worse at it than everything else, even though i did try. eventually i gave up and just did well in everything else.
i have no problem with germany, or the language. just the teacher and having to do it.
i do german BA, i'm in germany. ha.
if it helps i hated PE... urgh. i think i wore a neck brace for 2 weeks longer than i had to so i could get out of lessons.
i merely suggested the same ideas that you proposed in the first place:
1- that someone might be watching
2- that you have a "horrible attitude" towards this.
3 - namby pamby is not my vernacular
Even if you still consider my argument as "horrible" towards you, i think my tone was considerably nicer than your assumptions of the party concerned.
"Why not pop down the students union and drink cheap cider and moan about the Capatilist vultures and then take up your rightful place on the dole queue"
We're not all perfect individuals who make perfect decisions all the time, and despite your admission that this is the case, you seem to think that this guy is a loser for taking 15 minutes of the end of one working day. I would wholeheartedly endorse sacking if this was a regular occurrence, but from what is learnt in the above thread, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to think that this is anything other than a first time offence.
The logic (and related productivity considerations within my argument) is that a worker who feels safe in his job will be able to be more productive without feeling like he is about to be sacked constantly. A question for you;
Would the worker have worked over the 2 days (the one where he left early and today) more productively had he not had the threat of being made redundant hanging over his head today? He certainly wouldn't have spent the time creating and replying on this thread, that's for sure.
A reprimand, yes. Sacking? An absolutely absurd overreaction to a one-time minor indiscretion.
i did not know enough about your situation, but i'm sure you can sympathize with the assumptions i made considering your staunch stance on the situation of the country.
its John Major.
In regards to the logic theory you put forward. This is a fine theory if you are a first year sociology student or happen to think the world is run on happy happy thoughts and the soft fur of little litle bunnies.
The fact of the matter is we can sit here all day espousing on the benefits of many different theoretical positions regarding Moousees predicament. I am not the most well read person and don't have the ability to cut and paste cod sentiments on the plight of the worker, however I am sure I heard once "never give a sucker an even break".
If our friend had not been guilty of vacating his position when he was supposed to be present then he would not be feeling the threat of dismissal and thus happily be working away. Why don't you put your 'question' to the M.O.D. and get its opinion, I'm sure the issue of doing/or not doing what you are paid to do, and your opinions on it, would provide them with much debate.
Who knows maybe our soldiers defending freedom for our country and others may decide whether they can be arsed finishing their shifts or sodding off to the pub.
1 - paragraphs
2 - are fine
3 - numbers are
4 - not necessary.
1 - i don't think the world is run on happy thoughts. what was it thought did again?
2 - the theory i proposed was not about the "plight of the worker" in any such way, and would i disassociate myself from any such argument.
3 - you deserve an even break, i deserve an even break, moousee deserves an even break. the fact that i suggest he shouldn't be sacked is a reasonable one, i would (as i think most people would) give the guy a formal warning, as quite frankly, it's idiotic that a boss can't trust his workers to stay for the hours in which they are paid.
4 - further to this, it would stupid for a company to sack someone on this basis as they would incur costs in finding someone else to fill the position (plus further training costs of this)
5 - following an official warning, any worker is likely (if they do value their job) to knuckle down and work hard, knowing the consequences of further indiscretions.
6 - i'm sure that were this issue to occur in the army, the soldiers would be reprimanded, but not sacked (for a first offence anyway), and i don't really believe the issue of soldiers is truly applicable to this situation.
7 - "soldiers defending freedom for our country" hmm. i hope you're not talking about iraq. anyway...that's a whole other argument.
8 - i think you are also trying to overstate the indiscretion. it was 15 minutes. one five. if the guy left at lunchtime (i would still recommend a warning by the way) i could sympathise with your suggestion a little more. what if a worker goes to the loo several times (not in their breaks) over the course of a day because they feel a bit ill, but came in to work due their devotion to the job, but say, half an hours work time was lost in total. would you still recommend sacking? it's theoretically a worse "offence", on several levels, but it would be deplorable to sack someone for such an "offence".
9 - the numbers were a low blow, but i'm in an irritating mood.
number 9 )
1. The fact that I haven't seen the poster actually doing any whinging in this thread.
2. The work ethic/backbone of the country stuff. Guh? This country's got an external image of workshyness that's second only to the US.
You won't get sacked for that. If they do, you have a case for unfair dismissal.
Karma will get him in the long.
Don't forget the path to Nirvana is extreme suffering. Get the picture?
being summoned to a disciplinary meeting. I don't really know whats going to happen...
written or verbal. they won't sack you.
the mood has been heavy, seeing as there are a few of us up for the bother. Management higher up are involved now, seems to be getting pretty silly.
there's 5 of you? if there's one it would've just been sorted out ages ago?
it was just me, i dont think anyone would have noticed. Apparently I have come to an arrangement now though, one which 'avoids the disciplinary action'
Nice one Moousee, you happy about that?
I think this whole incident may have made up your mind about certain decisions you may already been deliberating on. Dr Phil would refer you to your original post and question why you were strangely not bothered. Dr Freud would say that we all have the drive to return to our original state of nothing/dust/death. You crazy man!
but now i kind of wish that I had, in a strange way.
re: work for a while. Have you had problems with someone at work that you don't get on with (a boss?). It seems like extreme nit-picking to me.
person with the problem was him. I think it has settled a bit now though
when i came into work this morning, i found out that if i don't do about 10 months worth of work by next wednesday, i'll be out on my arse. i've basically done all the work that is important, and people are getting the services we require, etc., but there is months of paper work that i have completely neglected to do. and it's sort of important because it all pertains to departmental reviews, insurance, claims and finance [fucking finance!]. i never knew this until today, or else i would've done it all. or that's my excuse - blame anyone but myself. and even though 8 days to get all the work completed is fairly manageable if i just knuckle down, i'd rather just get sacked now and be thought of as some sort of subversive rebel who fucked the system, instead of doing all the work and be thought of as this big unreliable wanker who pulled through by the skin of his teeth...
i'm the jimbo of the office
but i can't imagine it being a big deal
you can always get another identical job
What's your problem? Just go on, walk into another job! GO ON! One of those millions of identical jobs! You know, those ones!
I really really do.
his desk over. That'll get you at least a firm warning.
so I'd probably look pretty silly.
- Yeah, you'd fall through the fall.
- This is because you failed when you tried that you know this?
One of my managers, who isn't hot was really bollocking me about the situation, she was really having a go. I accidently got a raging bonk-on whilst she was (probably due to the fact she was being so authoritarian) and I think she may have noticed. Its been a bit weird since.
a) you think having a 'bonk-on' is worse than working at a desk full of rotting flesh.
b) i bet she fancies you. AWKWARD.
c) maybe you should quit. getting a bollocking for leaving work a few minutes early. That sounds like a GREAT* place to work.
d) you like to be dominated?
a) the situation was worse for me, with the rock hard (and if I may say throbbingly large) penis in front of someone that I dont know to well, as compared to leaving a smelly substance in a desk I would never see again.
b) Who doesn't?
c) I can't quit now, I'm working through till I move to London
d) I don't think that I do..
a) no i was pointing out it was a mighty good thing you didn't leave smelly dead animal matter in your drawers, and then NOT get sacked. and have to somehow deal with that. at which point getting sacked would seem like a barrel of LARFS!
b) your mum? hopefully.
c) you're leaving at some point in the future. there is a light.
d) I'm so convinced by your lack of hesitation there.
b) I hope so
Then I though this seems familiar, (checks date of posts) oh yes I remember now. :)
Here is my day of terror, jusy for you!