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Like, how do people end up getting hired to write for publications that will pay them money?
and offering to do anything at all for no money to start off with.
Sounds like fellatio may be necessary after all.
I know that feeling with one publication at the moment. Never had this problem with a newspaper a few years ago.
Like the whole thing seems to be this big closed world I'm not sure even exists.
This could just be because I don't live in London, though.
you'd stand more of a chance of doing music journalism if you DON'T live in london, particularly if you want to do live reviews (usually a good starting point). i was the live reviews person for aberdeen for one scottish paper. got that job cos i heard from a friend they were looking for someone, so i got in contact with the reviews editor and sent off a sample and that was enough. other stuff i've done, it's cos people have asked me! as above - i am lazy. ;-)
Moving to London isn't an essential. You're more likely to pick up work on a national by staying 'regional', I would say.
because i'm generally too lazy to look for any (and kinda have my own 'project' in the works. woohoo).
and 'offline' zine thing. but they'll be amazing. maybe.
OK, not my current one then...?
also I am only jokingly insulted, so nurrr.
Tell me how!
It's much easier to find work as a jounalist outside the UK. Edit a music magazine somewhere in Asia or the Middle East and freelance for music magazines about world music. Then come home and - ta da - you're an experienced music writer.
But how to start?
you might not find many music writer jobs in non-western countries. i don't think you can head off with zero experience - getting a journalism degree or relevant qualification is a good start. but generally i think moving away from london (even to other parts of the uk) in order to get writing regularly and collect clippings is a smart more. being music writer for, say, time out magazine in singapore, or the english-language newspaper of the czech republic could pay your rent and give you a chance to develop your style.
in a nutshell, london's wonderful, but if you're starting out as a journalist i'd get a paid job in a less competitive market rather than slave away for free in london. i lived in dubai for the last three and half years and although i don't like dubai very much, it launched my career as a writer.
i'm being very london-centric with my answers. but probably the same situation with manchester, glasgow, other major cities.
music website, get free cd's, i very rarely have to pay to get into gigs. i also write for sandman on a monthly basis but there's no money involved.
I might be able to help - it's 2.30pm now. If anyone wants to ring me on my desk phone at NME (02031486854) before 3.30pm, then I'll be happy to share what I know.
there are a lot of respected music publications (especially the trendier 'style' ones) who don't pay their writers because, let's face it, you can't move for wannabe music writers in london and most of them are just happy to get their name in print.
but then you're not doing it for the money, right? :)
There's no way I could do it full time without the money, and I also have very few other (what I think are) marketable skills.
is the career path for you, then you should accept the fact that you may never earn a decent living from it. the best way to go about it is it write around a full/part-time job in something else.
also, get used to rejection.
don't do a fucking Journalism degree to get there.
and drain you of all desire to write.
Mine has anyway. (y)
go for a purely vocational journalism qualification rather than an academic degree. there's a big difference. the first gets you out and about writing stories and the second involves spending your life in the library reading chomsky.
under any circumstances do a journalism ba though.
Just get your NCTJ's and get yourself work experience or on a vocational course. If I could have my time again that is exactly what I would do and it's what I'd recommend to anyone now who is thinking about a career in journalism.
Luckily I'm doing extra work writing for websites and zines outside of my course, which hopefully will count for something in the end, but the degree itself feels, more often than not, like a complete waste of time and money.
Anyone who is thinking about it, do not do a BA in Journalism, do vocational courses instead.
do not waste your time on a journalism ba, do it as a masters or NCTJ qualification. In the my experience (falmouth, unfortunately), journalism degrees aren't worth the paper they're written on, unless they're from the best. Get yourself an in-depth knowledge on something else by doing a degree in it (languages, english, science, whatever), and by all means freelance yourself during this time, but if you want formal recognition as a journalist, do that afterwards.
Set me on my way just fine.
It IS advisable to do an NCTJ too, though.
I looked at Falmouth when choosing where to go, as it happens. Not a good course? Got accepted there but it's no good for gigs.
No-one can spell for a start, the admission levels are terrible, the lecturers were disorganised... A large number of people on the course thought that news articles are written in entirely headline form, eg, "Cat stuck up tree. Fireman rescues cat from tree. Old lady very happy that cat is retrieved safely." It seemed that most people on the course had never actually read a newspaper, and therefore baffling as to why they wanted to take a degree in it!
And yep, it's generally shocking for gigs!
Because it actually teaches you how to write.
I don't really know. If I knew this I'd be rich...
that i just sent the editor. didn't get paid though.
& i sent a copy of my zine to Tim Jonze - he got back saying I could send him some live reviews which he'd pass on to the NME editors if they're any good... which I guess would be paid if used.
this is going back 10 years...
wrote to various publications i liked, asking to do work experience, referencing my prior work on UCL's student magazine
ended up doing two weeks work experience at Time Out... which turned into regular freelance work... which turned into a full-time job
since then i had a spell as reviews editor at Kerrang! and freelanced for The Times; these days i freelance for MOJO
my main bit of advice would be that experience is more important than a journalistic qualification - i studied biology at uni - and you need to be both persistent and organised
That's what I'm doing now. I'm not gonna bother with a Journalism BA, as virtually everyone I asked in the know advised against it.
Do a Masters, and do anything you can for free. Build up a portfolio.
I can't say if it works or not, as I haven't done it yet...but it could!
to be a a music journalist?
I like wanking, but I don't write about it, I just DO IT.
I wanna write about it.
In 4 words?
Have a Pulitzer.
Who wouldn't want to do this for a living?
I always said I'd love to be a music 'journalist'. Now, I'd just like to do it part time. I like music, and I like writing. It's like...I like toast, and I like beans. HANG ON, I HAVE AN IDEA...
Anyway, where was I? About these wanks...
it is good.
although i find the idea of his friendship with daphne unwholesome at best.
Pass the Buck
Fifteen to One
The Weakest Link
The Weakest Link Bad Losers' Special
Wheel of Fortune
No Win, No Fee
Beat the Nation
What the hell is 100% Sex? I hope Daphne was on that one with him.
was a piss-poor C5 quiz where there were 100 questions to answer. The host was a disembodied voice.
You should check out Daphne's website. I looked at it a few months ago and she gives tips to readers on things like buying good cardigans for the older lady.
is just to write lots of shit hot stuff for places that don't pay, then badger places that pay with your portfolio
started paying me for music reviews after I'd written a handful for free and proved reliable and at least alright at it.
No idea beyond that though.