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fucking disgusting organisation.
a nazi superman?
"Any suggestions can be sent to the Orange Order's headquarters, but be warned, Orangeman has been deemed too obvious."- How about fuck off? It is a shame that young people where perhaps less interested in a history which encourages division and hatred, sin't it?
it's quite nice really
I was just wondering when you and Rich would turn up for a slanging match.
Someone fetch the popcorn...
David has carved out quite the career of being an antagonising prick. I'm bored by it all now.
antogonistic prick? Where do I sign up?
(it's only minimum wage, but job satisfaction is high)
last year a friends friend, a girl, quite slight and small, crossed the road in front of a parade (bad move, admittedly) - one of the men grabbed her, shoved her across the road onto the ground, calling her a 'fenian whore' - they're just, ugh.
that was uncalled for, but there is nothing wrong, in theory, in celebrating one's heritage
but it's annoying.
the point is. by them marching around, especially through catholic areas, they are continuing and reinforcing a campaign of segregation and hate.
some marching down the embankment the other month. What they were doing there I don't know.
I'm not trying to fuck you off, but in theory marching is better than bombing and maiming - and King William is undoubtedly important to a segment of the population, and there is no reason to deny them having a bit of fun.
have you ever been to northern ireland?
it's scarily segregated enough as it is. it doesn't need a bunch of bigots running around aggravating the situation.
(as you well know) that it takes two to (Orange) tango, and that both sides should be able to celebrate their heritage without fear of stoking up resentment.
Americans can't celebrate the slave trade despite it being part of their heritage as it would be grossly insensitive. Similarly, English people often feel uncomfortable celebrating colonialism.
Its even more absurd that an effort is being made to revive a divisive heritage that was apparently dying out of its own accord...
the republicans don't celebrate in any similar kind of way whatsoever.
the thing is, if you've ever seen the division in n.ireland, you would know and understand why this marching would make you feel sick.
the murals in the estates in belfast show exactly the differing attitudes to how the two sides 'celebrate' their heritage.
by and large the republican murals are a celebration of the language, of irish myths, of the hedge schools, of the 1916 rising, etc etc.
the protestant ones, in comparison, are mostly murals that literally say 'kill catholics in their beds', even celebrating the killing of various yobs from within their own rival groups. it's horrific. and THESE are the people that mainly make up the orange orders. or at least join them in order to create havoc. whatever the official reasons they march, the members use it as a guise to 'stick it up the catholic arses'. i assume.
cannot possibly assume I am being serious?
ok then. I don't know why I do it really. Amongst friends I am known as a strong supporter of Irish Nationalism and its traditions, just so you know....!
It's one thing to condemn protestant bigotry, but, if you're going to do so you shouldn't deny the existence of an equal measure of catholic bigotry.
Did you miss all of the Pro IRA/INLA murals or celebratory murals of their terrorists then?
These people are ALL cunts.
i just didn't see any that literally said 'kill protestants'...
but not in the least bit suprising. They are beyond disgusting.
a bit of a fun - it's not as if they have a hero blowing up innocents in shopping centres. Now that would be tasteless
a) stop basing your existence on the celebration of wars from several years ago
b) disband and let people move on.
c) fuck off you bigoted cunts.
For example the United States bases its whole existence on the celebration of wars from several years ago.
They can fuck off too.
American War of Independence could hardly be seen as a war of defence
Everyone should move on really though.
the american war of independence was one country, fighting against another which was governing it from 1,000s of miles away.
the orangemen are essentially celebrating the defeat of one religion over the other. they then march through said religions areas flaunting it in their faces.
which is disgusting.
happened and what happens.
I believe the Orange Lodge has the right to celebrate it's heritage. Just like the English did when they celebrated the Battle of Trafalgar by sending a whole fleet of boats across the channel 'flaunting it in the faces' of the French.
in a way that incites hatred, though. We don't STILL send boats out to France to go "Wayhey, kicked your arse, didn't we?"
They weren't a nation Britain invaded and oppressed: they were British subjects living on British soil, thanks to having wiped out the natives, who revolted against their rightful government.
The Orangemen are clearly cocks.
but i'm just trying to show the difference.
they may well be an outmoded organisation and there can be little doubt that they are stuck in the past, but, I don't see why this story is winding people up so much!
Oh and they're not the only marchers in Ireland......
it's an anti 'let's ban everything that I happen to dislike' post.
See also: Oxford Union 'Anti-Fascist' protesters.
to revive an anachronistic, potentially harmful and divisive history among a demographic who it would seem are finally moving on, and people need to be move on for the hostility to finally die in this region?
Not to self: Do not eat sandwich and construct an argument at the same time.
People need to move on, obviously...
the most important historical event in the eyes of over half of those in Northern Ireland.
Whilst the case for curtailing or even banning marches in catholic areas (seriously, why hasn't this already happened?!) is overwhelming, I don't see why the organisation itself should be prevented from celebrating an event that they consider to be important.
Nobody is calling for those who go to the other church to stop celebrating the Easter Rising as far as I'm aware.
Live and let live.
That would set a disconcerting precedent. It is disheartening that people want to cling to something which they are fully aware will only hinder any possible progression in the area.
And it is a bloody outrage that they are still allowed to march in Catholic areas.
Is there any point in having a Parades Commission at all if they're not going to ban contentious routes?!
Let republicans march in republican strongholds and likewise for loyalists in loyalist strongholds.
That way the poison is contained and never the two shall meet.
Obviously, it would be better if neither side felt the need to partake at all, but, that will change in time.
When there are no catholics/protestants around to offend the appeal will soon wain.
Read the entire thread. Deliberate, unnecessary, insensitive provaction.
But they still should take it on themselves to do the decent thing and not do so.
my great grandad might have been one. Does this make me an evil person too?
I don't even really know much about it. Irish history bores me to death. He was from Donegal though which I thought was in proper Ireland so I'm probably just confused and he was actually a good irishman.
so you could well be right.
They were active throughout much of the island of Ireland at one point.
'The main annual Orange parade in the Republic of Ireland is at Rossnowlagh, County Donegal, an event which has been free from trouble and controversy'
It would seem to make sense then.
that place is about the size of my hand.
....hilarious mini citrus fruit joke centric.
Insert ROFLcopters here:
so my great grandad was a cunt then?
Anyhoo, I think they should call him SatsuMan
But, you certainly couldn't make that assumption based solely on the his membership of the Orange Order.
Glasgow, the west coast of Scotland and assorted other parts of the country help to maintain this outdated, divisive crap. Glasgow has more than its fair share of bigots on both sides of the divide although at the moment the orange side are well ahead on the murders after old firm matches score. The orangemen/women here are far more in your face with all the marches and practice marches. It's all about culture though, innit, a culture of being knee deep in fenian blood
for me it's far too cosy a relationship between loyalist terror groups, the British army and far right groups, BNP etc. All seem to be connected to each other.
but hey, what do I know, being a Celtic fan I'm obviously a republican sympathiser bogtrotting taig
Where does the alleged collusion between the army and loyalist terrorists enter this discussion as to the rather ridiculous organisation with the orange sash?
Presumably you're just a few posts away from expanding this discussion to include the worldwide zionist cabal of bankers and lizardmen.
i've not seen this footage before.
maybe forward to 5.30
just allowed the march to pass off without incident.
Think what a powerful message it would have sent to everyone (including the Orange Order) that Ireland is a modern, self confident, tolerant state.
The contrast between that and the worst excesses of the Orange Order would have been obvious for all to see.
Instead you got a loose alliance of troublemakers shouting pro-IRA slogans and attacking the Garda.
this was an interesting read. is anyone else actually northern irish by any chance?
my dad's from Tyrone... does that count? :)
whatever you think of marches by the orange order or republican parades to mark the easter rising or st patricks day - all are ingratiated into northern irish culture and are a strong part of some peoples identity. as someone who is from northern ireland i have seen many of these events (not voluntarily) pass of without any violence whatsoever. it is a small minority that perpetuate a feeling of provocation and menace.
although i don't particularly like the reasons behind it - which, i assume, are part and parcel of the fact that my dad is from a protestant border town, is a catholic, and i've only heard negative things about them, again and again. the biggest issue i have with it is the fact that they insist on attempting to march through catholic areas, which is just antagonistic and ridiculous. and doesn't do anyone or anything any favours at all.
And contrary to what my name suggests, I am not a hardcore Republican who wants to assassinate the Queen ;)
I find it hard to be 'outraged' by what is clearly a pretty desperate attempt by the Orange Order to recruit the young'uns and NOT die the slow and painful death they currently are.
My brother lives in a pretty protestant area of Belfast (the house a few yards from his is covered in "KILL ALL TAIGS" graffiti, scarylolz) but has never had any trouble.
The Orange Order just seems to be on its last legs in terms of young supporters, despite stupid Blue Peter woman's best attempts.