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Alive or dead in today's modern world?
I try and be very polite to girls and things.
men do that are counted as chilvarous by women mean that women think that they are not being treated equally and get annoyed?
Sometimes I wish I was a cunt.
Nor vice versa.
My question is about chivalry. In it's general sense. In today's modern world. You missed the 'nice' thread a few days back.
just that it doesn't seem to be a quality that is very valued any more.
so that the nice guy who treats women with respect etc gets forgotten about/thought of as a friend, but the wanker who is after a quick shag and treats the woman accordingly seems to be loved for it.
and generally being polite with no implied reciprocation etc.
i also enjoy looking at bottoms and am often powerlessly drawn towards bare cleavage
i'd say it cancels itself out
but think you know what I mean by that anyway.
i mean, if there's someone coming through a door behind you: surely you hold it open anyway: whether it's a boy or girl?
its more general politeness really isn't it?
mostly anyway - i tend not to offer to buy all my male friends drinks (unless we are doing rounds) or to pay for dinner!
properly, say, aged 17, I always had doors opened for me and stuff. But lo and behold, it was my boyfriends best mate... now HE was a total gentleman by the name of Rupert. One of the coolest people I've ever met to this day. I kind of got used it... having not really had that apart from say, relatives until then. I guess it's standards and patterns of behaviour. My first introduction of Rupert was him in a tux, opening a door to greet me at 7am, post school formal kind of thing (if anyone has seen the film LESS THAN ZERO you will get it)... at an after party. Anyway. Gentlemen.. yeah, they still do exist...
But from there on, doors were always held open for me. I kind of expect it but having said that, will also do it in return without thinking... for men or women. It's just manners. Yup.
But yeah - total REAL chivarly - not manners or opening doors (god, my parents would do that for anyone - manners, etc)... does it still exist?
to be honest - no way. i might carry her over i suppose.
what do you mean though?
I'll stick to the music board at this hour.
i was hoping to use some of my history degree there...
but i would say that chivalry as always been used as an ideal that real life doesn't always match up to, and that people have been complaining about it's decline as long as they've been using the term..
I just believe in common decency.
I just wanted to know what the term meant to us youngsters, in today's world.
but i wouldn't call it chivalry. just good manners.
It is- I had lots of guys helping me with my massive suitcases throughout the train stations and hostels as I got here.
It was always genuinely appreciated :-)
I ran into the girls toilets, got my girlfriend out of the fight, told them all to fuck off, then grabbed her hand and got her out of there.
I'm also nice to girls generally, so hopefully it's still going.
standing at the door letting eight suits in. Not one said thank you :(
God, I've plumbed some lows in my time...
I would let 8000 suits die to save you.
(or indeed most women on DIS)
Then men would feel far more inclined to be chivalrous
(i have no idea how to write that sentiment online "*sharp intake of breath*" maybe?)
i misread that didnt i? you were being flirty and that.
as you were.
That's one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me.
I am really chivalrous.
what is so fucking funny?
complete opposite of chivalrous
its like a chav cavalry
the other day a girl on the tube got her bag caught outside the doors and this man rushed forward and prised them open, he did it without even thinking and got the bag through. For the rest of the journey all the girls on the carriage were looking at him with love in their eyes.
there's no standard distance for when this applies. I mean, if they're about ten yards away by the time you've gone through the door and it's closed again, it looks like you've shunned them
But by avoiding this, you run the risk of holding a door open for too long and making the person do some pathetic little jog up to the door in order to stop you standing there looking like a demented pervert holding a door
And THEN once you're both through the door feeling sufficiently rushed/weird, you're now both walking down the corridor far too fucking CLOSE TO EACH OTHER
this feels like Curb material,
"Chivalry is only a name for that general spirit or state of mind which disposes men to heroic actions, and keeps them conversant with all that is beautiful and sublime in the intellectual and moral world."
- Kenelm Henry Digby (dead)
I dont want money or things (although some gemstones are really pretty, i DO like shiny things, thats the problem with money, no romance in it now)
Crowns n stuff looked great.
Recently for a halloween do I want in some gothishy clothes of mine more like what a real vampire might wear rather than a costume.
I had my skull ring on and took my crane bag with me, put lots of old old coins and replicas with me (from across the ages....viking, roman, victorian etc cos they're pretty and I thought it might be the sort of coins that a vampire might use (like highlander)
The barmaid didnt even smile when I offered her the old silver money for beer. (despite EVERYONE being in costume) I also had some gems in my crane bag in a small silver box with other stuff in.
Would any of you lot ever accept a gem in payment for something.....or old coins?
i met someone ther I hadnt seen for a long time. He introduced me to his wife and daughter who could only have been about 14. Because I was in charming chivalrous vamp mode I dramatically bowed and took her hand, I suddenly realised of the possible mistake and made a big show of kissing the air NEAR her hand without kissing the hand.
I get carried away sometimes.
Chivalry means getting carried away as well
and kissed it, and bowed down slightly.
I was a bit taken aback but secretly very pleased.
I think I'm an old fashioned romantic at heart. He was very dapper, in twenties style clothing and a handlebar mo'...
response to meeting a lovely damsel.
At Zonino I regret that I was so drunk that if I tried to perform my sweeping hand kiss move I would have overbalenced and pulled you over as well.
from memory ;-)
not so much the old coins, often tin foil and anything remotely shiny really.
I entered and won a jousting tournament the other day and also I slew a dragon and won a fair maidens hand.
I'm not opening doors for no fucker though. I'm a knight not a cunt.
I'll hold doors open, I'll give my coat to a gurl if she's cold, I'll hold the hair away from her face when she's being sick...and yet gurls still dislike me, therefore i resign from chivalry.
I've been given coats, always allowed to go first, ridden around on the back of people's bikes. I love nice guys :)
OR her tits. I'm such a gent.
too sweet, really yo_soy, that's just lovely.
in any form. So no. Just heckle at him please. Thanks.
you have passed the test, no true lady would want people hurt on their behalf, a couple of my ex's have wanted that though.
get in your box'
but its rare
george carlin said "yes chivalry is dead, women killed it".
some truth in that.
do I win something? what does it mean?
but almost always incomplete and/or misused.
it's rare that both the proper intention and the necessary behaviour are there. the world has changed.
chivalry is only worth anything if it's totally consistent. it's utterly worthless if it's only applied to certain people [i.e. pretty/passable looking girls].
the chivalrous person is the one who'll extend their metaphorical hand to anyone in need who they're able to help, irrespective of their gender, age or looks. also, it's not enough to do it for impressed strangers - one should behave to one's friends & loved ones that way too. otherwise it's just posturing.
(is that a word?)
and it was, rather.
I clean my mouth up for girls.
and people shouldn't just hold the door open for other because they want to go out with them. But it's a legitimate initial means of contact with someone just like anything else. Asking someone out straight afterwards would be a bit mad though.