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obvious choice, but the Romans were fantastic.
the romans couldn't be arsed because there was sod all in scotland worth nicking!
A tale of lies, historical inaccuracies and glamorisation.
But by fuck, it was good! Watching Braveheart make people get very patriotic all of a sudden.
Fair enough, the English (as you bloody Scotch like to call us) were cunts, but every single English character in the film is a rapist or a homo or something.
Its the worst film ever.
They were cool dudes.
Talk about looking to the future.
playing the Civilisation games I'd say the Zulus generally won when things got dirty.
TASTE LIKE CRAB
TALK LIKE PEOPLE
then we shall make you into craab people :D
The Mongols are pretty fucking good as well.
also the greeks as their culture and mythology was so rich
they just enjoyed sex with men because they knew it wouldn't result in pregnancy, durr.
circa 1750...Last of the Mohicans 'n all that...through the American Old West.
Early Rome circa Augustus.
of Hong Kong, too. Which I guess could be considered Victorian England...but not really.
They were just a dynasty.
I come from Inca land, well the coast of Peru, which was not Inca Empire really, well, it was technically but ....blablablalbalblalbla.
have you seen their beards? awesome.
Mayans (architecture, astronomy);
Olmecs (Stone heads! Invented Zero!);
Aztecs (The fucking Aztecs!)
but Incas and Aztecs ftw.
Their success has been the blueprint for modern society, BECAUSE it has been prepared to overide all other human considerations to ensure the succession of centralised authoritarian power.
It is macho, domineering, mysogynist, ans elitist, pouring scorn and derision on those who are not 'fusto'
Thracians living on the black sea coast about 4 millenia ago
Thessalian witch cult again 4 millenia ago
Rural Arcadia (4-5 millenia ago)
Sidhe in Ireland
Goidelic celtish in Britain
Pre Celtic Britain in general
all these civilisations seem more appealing to me (although Im sure I could find out stuff that would put me off some of these that I know only a little of)
....."look what the romans did for us".......b****cks
All they did was accumulate all stuff they found useful from across all mediteranean/european cultures and integrate those that could be seen toi have use across their territories.
Many of the advances/techniques/tech stuff was developed by other more inventive cultures.
The romans were good and analysing what was useful and effective and deseminating it across the board.
Yes of course they had their own advances and they were excellant and applying and developing ideas.
That was their strength (see also the victorians)
It did not mean they were more inventive, they just allowed inventions to be developed and applied being incorporated across their empire, they were able to do this because of absolute dictates (much as when picard says 'Make it so')
Aggressive, genocidal, believed in the absolute superiority of their race, but.....
I want to have been in the Maenads or Satyrs or Centaurs psychotropic tribe cults....and fight under Dionysis against Lysurgus and his bunch of wheat-bread eating lager louts
because studying sophocles STOOPID plays over and over again has been the bane of my life for the last 7 years.
were actually telling tales of old glorious/great tribal pre (vaguely) civilised times.
The times when cities held less sway.
You see the Greeks (like later idealising movements.....pastoral poets, pre-raphaelites, arts and craft) also hankered over lost pastoralism and free-er times, times when they imagined humans to be free-er more independant and 'more than modern humans'
They actually did kind of venerate their forebears.
You can find other anthropologically studies societies where they discuss this (easter island cult and such like)
However the Greek writers were unusual in that they are a vital source to our own predecessors as at this time when there were european tribal animist cults they were the first and closest (modern logic) analysis of this. As they were becoming modern minded (according to our definition, since our learning was born out of theirs, after the romans had uglified it by stripping out most of the true romance and beauty or relegating it to the 'lesser ideals' (although civilised greece had already started the process themselves)
Its interestinjg that you can see (in what we call classical greece) dissention and dismay at the way their own society is heading, you can tell from the eulogising of their own past how people were elementally heroic or bad.
Of course when people talk about ancient greece, it is not simple, we are talking several millennia here, before subjugation to Rome.
Greek playrights and writers were often discussing things that were tales/legends to themselves, consider that they would have sometimes be writing about stuff that was as long ago as Robin Hood, Arthur, Chu CHulain, Finn, Alfred, Jesus, and the Romans are to us.....or even the classical greeks.
Greek political changes have put as much of a modern (then) twist/spin/interpretation on it as happens now. Just as Christianity has stamped its own name over European festivals/places and events, so did the Hellenic Olympian cult which mimicked the patriarchal leadership that the hellenes brought in as the last major wave of influence from the south east (from asia minor).
The importance of their gods varied over the years. Apollo started out as a small mouse god of 'smiths' he managed to grab loads of other areas of activity lots of culture and music and poetry n stuff The feminine muses and graces importance decreased accordingly.
Similarly Hades replaced Hecate
and although pastoral deities tended not to get usurped they were diminished (Pan for instance)
Many Classical Greeks might not have actually believed (niavely) in literal deities, but they were aware that one could not just set their store in one deity, such as aries, because aphrodite or hestia or demeter might still be ofended enough to kill you (spend all your dosh and effort on war and neglect the home or love or your food resources, and you could still suffer and die) By having split deities they were more spirits of (in the modern psychiatric way ogf thinking they would no doubt be seen as elements of your own psyche)
However Athenians were trying to wean people off this, although obviously it was more unpopular in some quarters.
(someone like Socrates) was not executed merely because of homophobia (It was far more accepted than in (until recently) Britain.
His punishment was like a backlash, against his idea that humans in a modern civilised state could deny a major part of humanity, his crime was to only worship exclusively male stuff.......male intellect and to cut off the godess all together, male company (hem hem) altogether championing the idea that men could be happier without women. It also didnt help that he was also doing it with very young men (teens) and that some of these older dons were kind of directing other young cholars and students into this life......kind of advocating it.
'The Death of Socrates' is what everyone uses as their referece but there are other accounts. Its not as simple as people like to think, he wasnt an innocent like Alan Turing, he was also political and influential in others developement.
Sorry I've strayed somewhat, I just didnt want Sophia to get put off studying stuff from Greece just because of one playwright
for the mushroom munchers
circa 1850 - 1950.
We were the best.
any I suppose
or the Norte Chico
as they considered chief hydroelectrical and hydrodynamical engineer a calling.
Just to make this joke
Great bunch o'lads
Aztecs on Civ 2
French on Civ 3
Dutch or Khmer on Civ 4 (with all the expansions)
New England (with William Penn as ruler) on Civ: Colonization (remake)
French on Civ 5 with no expansions
Brazil on Civ 5 with all expansions
Gaia's Stepdaughters on SM:AC
i've not played Civ: BE
the couple other people i can remember asking about it have been very Do Not Recommend about it
Different game. So you have to be okay with that.
i've already got Civ 5. i don't need to get it again. what i really want is for it to be SMAC though
but equally as good
SMAC was amazing in its day. BE doesn't appeal at all though.
...disappointed DiS, very disappointed