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i put 60p in the pot today i think... is there a suggested donation or anything?
, but, it all helps.
I put ten pounds in, but, then I'm from an army family so its all closer to home.
i just put the change i had in my pocket in, i think ill put more in now.
have you heard about the white poppys, i think they are to do with people who are against war, my friends and i talked about it today, we decided it was a bit silly.
a white poppy.
i'm not quite sure what the point of them is though, as red poppies are hardly pro-war are they - reminding people of the somme never really was a winner in army recruitment ads..
and surely people will find it hard to argue that the world wars, particularly the second were not justified.
I can't say I support the idea, but, obviously if that's what people want to do then they're entitled to wear them.
I've just always found the white poppy brigade (on the VERY rare occasions you meet them) to be insufferable middle class lefties of the 'All soldiers are murderers' persuausion.
what do the poppys stand for then?
I believe the idea is that they're to remember civilian victims of war, which in itself is a noble enough idea, but, the whole case for them is hinged on this absurd notion that a red poppy is pro-war, pro-milarism, pro-empire, etc
but the existance of an alternative that is anti war creates the impression that the red poppies are pro war etc.
oh right i see, well yes it would be a good idea, but perhaps not coinciding with rememberance day etc. as it sets it up sort of in opposition to the whole thing, and does create that impression. personally i think war should be avoided at all costs, but that does not mean i would not support justified militant action, and i still think we owe lots to those that died and stuff.
and I'm against the Iraq debacle in particular.
I just hope that the British public can still distinguish between the foreign policy misadventures of our current government and the young men and women who pay the blood price for their decisions.
As for the origin of the poppy as a symbol of rememberance..........
Lieutenant Colonel John McRae penned it in 1915:
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
— John McCrae
i think Iraq has had a neagative effect towards the army in general, although i think most people recognise the difference that you described just now.
I'm not sure that I'd agree, but, it's definitely damaged the army through overstretch and a general feeling that nobody cares about them.
It certainly had a negative effect on two friends of mine who were killed there.
you probably know more than me, but although the majority support our troops, despite not agreeing with the war its inevitable that some might take the negative aspects that should be directed at the ones who put them there, and direct it at the troops themselves.
I've met people who seem to think that the army decided to go to Iraq off their own back, they appear to have no concept of how a parliamentary democracy works.
and yeah i agree, but thats sadly indicative of our country as a whole i think.
has been such a remarkable success that you'd be forgiven for thinking it was a deliberate policy.
As long as there's another series of Strictly Come Celebrity Ice Cooking on Love Jungle Island then who cares what happens out in Wherethefuckisthatistan?!
Strictly Come Celebrity Ice Cooking on Love Jungle Island :)
Maybe the finest example of the anti-war poetry genre.
got some other great poems too.
dulce seems to be the favourite for english lessons though..
and how they are conveyed, which is popular in the curriculum