# Boards

## Mathematical laws to be re-written for the benefit of idiots

Well, so the lady in this story would like, it seems:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1022757_cool_cash_card_confusion

Excerpt: The 23-year-old, who said she had left school without a maths GCSE, said: "On one of my cards it said I had to find temperatures lower than -8. The numbers I uncovered were -6 and -7 so I thought I had won, and so did the woman in the shop. But when she scanned the card the machine said I hadn't.

"I phoned Camelot and they fobbed me off with some story that -6 is higher - not lower - than -8 but I'm not having it.

"I think Camelot are giving people the wrong impression - the card doesn't say to look for a colder or warmer temperature, it says to look for a higher or lower number. Six is a lower number than 8. Imagine how many people have been misled."

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Oh my fucking god...

## :D

"I phoned Camelot and they fobbed me off with some story that -6 is higher - not lower - than -8 but I'm not having it."

## excellent

this woman is truly my hero.

## epic fail

I can't believe Camelot has overestimated the general public by doing something with negative numbers.

## Well, negative numbers can be tricky if you never did maths

I don't object to her not realising how it worked, I object to her claiming it's wrong when she's told how it works!

She's probably correct that to have said 'colder' would have made more sense to people.

## you're too nice!

let's be elitist about this...

## when I see some of my students

I'm not sure saying 'colder' would have worked that well either...

## scratchcard buyer in "bit of an idiot" shocker!

## Of course, I get annoyed with scratchies

when it claims that if I uncover a gem I will win £250k. Apparently a diamond isn't a gem according to Camelot!

Of course, with the article we can get pernickety and debate whether negative numbers actually exist (well, the Romans didn't believe in them!) but I guess that would be a little above our heroine.

## romans didn't believe in zero either

but believed in Jupiter, Hercules...

So I wouldn't trust them too much...

## Z

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_mathematics#Formalism

vs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_mathematics#Platonism

interesting stuff.

## thank you

for this depressing start to my day.

## You're welcome

## idiots aren't depressing

they just are funny !

## I think it's more that he just realised he hasn't won

:D

## The modern scratchcard player

wants games with edge and a high skill factor involved. Camelot firmly believes that asking customers to decide whether a number is higher or lower than another one will satisfy their desire for more intelligence based prize winning opportunities.

## but 8 is a number, and negative 8 is a negative number

the number 8 will always be bigger than the number 6, regardless of whether is is negated or not.

## 'higher' not 'bigger'

It didn't say 'bigger', did it?

## i dunno, i read your snippet

left the thread, did a poo, scratched a few bits of my body, did a few other things of littel or no interest, and then decided that i would post that.

## the magnitude is greater

but -8 is still lower than -6.

## so it is safe to argue that it has a higher magnitude?!

## :)

## i think this is where i stick my Q.E.D.!!!

## What is it you've proved?

That you're a massive momo?

## that -8 is higher than -6

where the term higher is an a breviation of the phrase "of a higher magnitude"

:P

## We weren't discussing that, though

:D

## well you should have been

i think we might have stumbled across a big enough loophole in mathematical linguistic to be able to get to the moon through the medium of a fingre click

## 'Greater in absolute value'

a mathematician might say.

Possibly 'greater in magnitude', although that'd normally be saved for multi-dimensional vectors

## thanks for clarifying that matt

i also thought of another way in showing that it was higher involving burns from heat and burns from cold, but it's a bit tenuous, and really more of a yesterday topic

## If we're talking stars then -8 is a greater magnitude

than -6

## well yes

in yesterdays show, we discussed that magnitude doesn't pay any due to whether the number is negative or AIDS ridden

## So I just need to use three swear words to get you out of my thread, right?

;-)

## go fuckyourself you massive calved twatmunge plavoured shitstick!!

## :D

## im poo at maths

but that, that is just brilliant :D

## oh man..

come the revolution...

## -6 is a lower temperature than -8...

-6F much colder than -8C.

Did they specify units or not?

## Yes, it was a Hallowe'en scratchcard.

The temperatures were done in witch's tits.

## Brilliant.

This is the best story since the Sarah Kennedy one.

## wh...uh???????????

how has the world produced such morons??

surely she should know there's a difference between higher & lower numbers and higher & lower temperatures.

## it doesnt make any difference

-8 will always be lower than -6

## *smacks forehead*

gah, I'm a moron too :(

## :P

sorry to point it out but at least i wasnt horrible about it.

## Excellent

The lady interviewed is from my neighbourhood.

## ah it's ok

I appreciate the fact you didn't point and laugh, unless you did and I just didn't see...in which case shame on you!

but yeah, it was a bit of a silly mistake to make, didn't think about what I was typing! but don't worry, I know the rules of negative numbers...

## Imagine her at school

"The teacher fobbed me off with some story that I'll need a Maths GCSE to get by in life, but I'm not having it."

I think someone summed it up perfectly with the phrase 'Epic Fail'.

## Wait..

She's 23? Oh dear...

## What a mug.

Maybe they could lock her in a chiller at a range of subzero temperatures with a kids maths book until she learns her lesson.

## Here's the bit that gets me.....

"On one of my cards it said I had to find temperatures lower than -8."

then

"the card doesn't say to look for a colder or warmer temperature"

Divvy!