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Spurs : (
it's not making my bad day any better :(
I'm even having trouble giggling at the Carlube adverts on the ad boards.
I really like them. And Jol.
Happen soon plz.
I love him, but if his job was unsure a few weeks ago, it definately is now. Its a shame but its just not happening at all.
I think all the Spurs DiSsers should meet up and have a big manly cry together.
I'd like some man hugs at the moment.
i dont know any spurs fans here.
It's just so sad.
I don't even know my team's result from yesterday. Oops.
2 points off 4th.
I feel sorry for Jol, his team isn't performing. Berbatov is a great player, but shit to have in the dressing room ta times like this.
Some of us support the team at the bottom of league 1, bereft of ideas, tactics, money and players who want to play. Oh and we are going bankrupt, and am sure our two or three good players will be gone in January.
Would take a disapointing season in the premiership any time you want to swap.
Of course, AFCB ar my second team, I meant to say that. I ACTUALLY support the local first school five a side team. Would sell my spuds for a shit season in the sunday leagues.
And I do understand that if you have got used to being in the latter stages of the FA Cup, and in Europe and stuff it must hurt to be struggling.
But, you know, when you are looking at your club dissolving in front of you, its hard to feel any sympathy for any one else!
[cries to self]
We could be on -15 points soon
Well there is usually one "big club" down in the lower leagues so maybe its your turn.
(would be nice away trip so lets hope so - subject to me still having a club to support)
but sympathy for the fans of sides whose futures are practically all but over, while at the same time, the top clubs in the country pump shit loads of money into football outside of this country...what happened to the days of plucking talent from lower league sides?? :(
it doesn't work.
sign from the lower leagues? Gareth Bale hardly counts
dawson, reid, simon davies, gardner, lennon, huddlestone, michael brown.
and others which i can't even remember.
but none of those were below Championship level though were they?
they wont be good enough for the prem surely?
used to be...unfortunately United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool's academies snap up anyone else now...as a result the middle man (ie the lower league clubs) aren't necessary and they don't make the money they need to survive...add to this a number of other problems and clubs below the Championship (and even some in it) will struggle to stay alive
if you get booted out of the league, then we will be bottom!
ought to be loaning out some of Portsmouth's untapped youth talents
Wilson is okay, Begovic was fucking awful, but its all irrelevant as our manager, and pal of Uncle Harry's is an idiot.
Anderton still there?
wages the reason they're going bankrupt?
obvious but outgoings are more than incomings. Most of the outgoings are on wages so ...
and still one of our better players, and strangeley rarely injured.
We are going bust because the shit football is turning people away and we arent hitting our break even attendance.
Regardless of any common sense though I am pinning all our problems on Paul Telfer, who gets paid well, but is completely shit. He is my new scapegoat, and whoever said the other day that you shouldnt boo your own players needs to see that man play then reconsider.
good home result, and we're looking pretty good as far as the table goes. That said, we haven't really had any properly tough fixtures other than Man City away yet.
It really is time for Jol to go. I really can't see that he still has the dressing room (other than Robinson, who is sitting pretty after signing a seven year contract)
But there is something quite beautiful about seeing Darren Bent - the man who signalled a new 'top four' era at Spurs - so painfully short of confidence, and knowing that it probably stems from that glorious miss against Arsenal - the team who were apparently set to make way for this new almighty Yiddo force
Sucks for Spurs fans, but I have zero sympathy. Leeds showed that you can't just throw millions and millions and attempt to break into the top four that way
The spirit's gone - as some guy said up there, Berbatov is not the kind of fella you want in this situation and you wonder how many other players actually care that much about the team. We miss King Ledley big time, Dawson's gone to pot without him and we have no leader. Bale (our only positive this season) has probably broken every metatarsal and will be out forever.
to break the top four? Oh dear.
but as a betting man - I wonder what the odds were that every one of the top eight teams would win this weekend?
Jol's post-match interviews. They are the best thing about Match Of The Day
I'm guessing Klinsman will replace him with though, he's already said that he wants to manage a club in London next and he's worshipped at Spurs, so logical conclusion.
I'm sure they can break the top 4, at arsenals expense of course. I wish I could dig up that thread were everyone made there predictions for the league table this season.
too good to go down?
There, I've said it.
but I would never stop laughing if they did.
The Leicester Mercury hoardings are running with 'MEGSON PLEDGES LOYALTY TO CITY', when that's the last thing a lot of people want him to pledge.
Christ thats optimistic.
10th at best.
was an easy one to argue - SPurs had strengthened there good squad whilst Arsenal had lost their best player. Arsenal have exceeded expectations quite impressively; we're underperforming quite spectacularly.
(and we've been unlucky)
hopefully we can turn it around, still plenty of time left, but now id be pleased with a mid table finish and decent cup run (me being hopeful)
We finished 5th the last 2 years and supposedly improved the squad, although so far only Bale seems to have really done so, but thats the benefit of hindsight. Therefore saying that Spurs could push on seemed to be fairly realistic. There was no doubt that in previous years Henry was one of the best players in the world/prem, although its been shown that he maybe wasnt the best player for the team as a whole.
I think the suggestion that maybe Spurs could have made the top 4 this year was valid, just the signings havent done too well, and virtually none of our big names hae performed.
I think if one of the top 4 had started poorly we could have done it, but as it happens weve been crap.
its not a top 4 squad.
but i cant be arsed and youll just disagree. Currently there are 4 better teams than us in the prem, but at the beginigng of the season that wasnt certain, as Arsenal have performed well, and Liverpool have been ok too.
but now you are just being awkward.
but i should have said in terms of squad strength.
anywhere near their potential.
makes our current predicament even more baffling! On paper we have a top 4 squad wihtout a doubt. Unfortunately we've had some important players injured, loads who've forgotten how to play and some who don't have the heart for a fight. We've also been a little unlicky (shouldn't have lost to United or Liverpool) but we've basically massively underperformed. Arsenal clearly have a better team, and that's a lot to do with Wenger, although i'd still argue we've got the better squad.
and thats down to Robinson as much as anyone. Its sad because i like him but ive lost all confidence in him. He used to keep us in games, and be a source of confidence, now he just seems a bit of a liability.
is quite simply the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen posted on here, and I have seen some bullshit in my team.
There is no way in hell that anyone could make an argument that spurs have a better squad. Thats just utter bollocks.
Lehman V Robinson
Whos worse at the moment?
is he? Almunia is. And he is quite clearly better than 'Robbo'
wouldnt have confidence in him though
he is solid as they come. Never drops a thing.
Berbatov drifts into laziness far too often, and doesn't seem interested.
last season he was brilliant.
would make our starting lineup.
Yes, that includes Berbatov.
Spurs are shit this season. That doesnt mean the players are shit, we just are out of form etc. and are not performing as well as we should.
Theres no way last year you could have made that claim.
RVP and Adebayor have both raised their games (as has keane, fair play). Berbatov is going backwards.
any idiot could say that we are shit right now and rightly so. the point is that on the basis of last season and the signings we made, optimism about challenging for a top 4 place was not particularly misplaced.
because even after your signings, your squad was still not better than any of the top 4.
hence the possibility of challenging?
BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A BETTER SQUAD THAN ANY OF THE TOP 4.
WHAT PART OF THIS DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
left back, experienced centre back (although I really like Kaboul), left mid, centre mid).
Sell berbatov if someone offers €25 plus-
strike force, it's just those four players aren't currently performing to the level they can do. Plus Arsenal need some another striker who can challenge for a spot and act as back up as it's a long season.
Remember this is based on how good we know the players can be (i.e. getting us to 5th for the last 2 seasons) compared to your squad:
Yeah like you wouldn't have Berbatov...
You seem to be missing the point. I don't know how much of Arsenal you've seen this season, but their success is based more on them playing phenomenally as a team with a couple of exceptional individual performances driving this on (Fabregay (that's funny) and Adebyour in particular) than being a team full of stars.
Also, you must appreciate that it's not some kind of brag, at least if we were doing shit with a shit squad we'd know why!
Anyways, Clive Allen's off to Stevenage apparently.
and to be honest I wouldn't want them to be either. Their strength is their team spirit and the way they work for each other. Having big name players would ruin that.
that's what i was saying...
Berbatov: I said he wouldn't start, he would be in our squad though
Bale: I like, but would be a fringe player at us
King: too injury prone (like gallas), but is a good defender. Wouldn't start.
Chimbonda: Are you serious? France play Sagna and Diarra (who plays centre mid for us) ahead of him.
Lennon: No end product, waster
Robinson: Bollocks. Just bollocks. We had him on trial before he went to you and rejected him. Enough said.
Defoe: does nothing else but score goals, and doesn't even do that anymore
Can't say I know Tarabat
You appear to have written robinson twice.
I dont mean to get offensive here as im enjoying this fairly reasoned debate, but i just think now you are becoming a bit biased, which is of course natural.
Our starting line up is:
I honestly don't think any of your players would get into that team.
I am enjoying this debate, please continue!
seem to be to be Clichy, who is ok but in my opinion Bale would offer a lot more. I dont particularly rate Hleb either, he looks a decent enough player but a bit lightweight, id rather have Lennon (he does have end product, just not enough of the time. But wasnt the same criticism aimed at C.Ron?).
Fabregas i cant argue with, but Flamini is shit.
Rosiscky is ok, but not great but i think choices like this would be marginal. And the front two i think theres not a lot in it at all, although i would personally put Keane in any team (with one or two exceptions perhaps)
Overall i would concede you have the better team, but not by much.
by what margin are the arsenal ones better?
Bale needs to play a few more seasons at this level before he can be compared to Clichy, who only needs to work on his distribution to become a world class full back.
Flamini may not look like he offers much, but is the perfect foil for fabregas. A water carrier who is now a french international.
Hleb is not a conventional winger, neither is Rosicky. Both move inside to better effect. Whilst people did used to criticise ronaldo for over elaboration, he still produced more than lennon.
I think there is a large gulf between our teams. Your entire defence suffers from at least 3 lapses of concentration a game, as does your keeper. Your midfield has no width, and only Keane is producing up front.
"Hleb is very under-rated - he's one of our most skillful and hard working players - if you watch him closely you'll see what I mean."
I see what you mean - you could replace hleb for Jenas there and say the same thing. srsly.
in a few years time. As good as Ronaldo or Fabregas.
he could be a great player though
ex-England rugby coach. He's back-up for malbranque.
Anyways my point was they'd all get in your squad which you've kind of agreed with. Berbatov would get in any starting line-up in Europe more often than not. Obviously it's subjective and we'll just go round in circles. Just agree with me cos i'm off home soon.
On a serious note, a couple of seasons back, and prior to this, there were no better keepers than Robbo in the league, so surely you overlooking him was a bit of an error, no?
Taraabt is superb.
we signed Lehmann instead and went a season unbeaten, so I think we were in the right. Robinson is a great shot stopper, but you must be the first to admit has little presence.
i dunno why but hes lost it a bit.
And taraabt looks fantastic from what ive seen.
I've enjoyed this. More tomorrow please!
Robinson had more presence than Santa when he was good. Now he's lost his presence. Christmas is cancelled kids!
Good day to you all!
We needed to sign a winger- PEDERSEN from blackburn. i must have said it about 100 times but he would have been perfect and cheaper than Bent, especially considering we have Defoe not even warming the bench at the moment. The hole in the defence is due to King and Kaboul i think may be a decent enough replacement if he settles in. We needed a star in midfield though, someone who could just run the game, but they arent too common, and i guess thats what seperates the best from the rest. We should have least tried to sign Riquleme or someone though if we are serious about top 4.
you want to sign the best players, but theyd only move to go to a top 4 team.
its increasingly hard to break above the 2nd league within the premiership.
the transfer policy this year seemed to be if they are good we will buy them, rather than looking where we desperately needed players.
to fund it. But yeah it could happen. hes fantastic to have if you are playing well though.
but a lot of that is due to the way he plays. Hes not the type of player to haul you back singlehandedly im afraid.
but they arent easy to find
how do you pronounce micah richards?
is it micker or miker?
that's what I say and that's what I'm sticking by, even as the rest of the pub looks at me with pity
it was always my-kah hyde, because that sounds cool.
but mick-ah richards has a better flow to it i feel.
public address system is the correct term
meeka? sounds like a pokemon, or brian may's bumchum. Richards deserves better.
we've finally found some consistency :D
they just need a few more players so that they can cope abit better when players get injured. Think the african nations could hit them hard though with 4 players possibly going.
the lot of you.
You could all be Boro fans. At least Spurs have the players to get them out of shit. We pretty much have no hope right now. Still, at least The Championship is a good league...
you should still be in the premiership next season. They seriously need to sort there strikeforce out though, looking at the team I can't see where goals will come from.
Southgate (who I really like, by the way0 is a firm believer in not just relying on the strikeforce for goals. But there's no one else who can score at the moment. Mido has about 12 goals in him, Tuncay 8, Aliadiere 5, and Dong-Gook Lee already has his 1 for the season. Downing is our stop acorer so far, say's it all really...
I really hope we'll be OK. The thing is, we're coming out of every game saying "yeah, we didn't play bad, but we didn't look like scoring". That's not good.
He really is. But he's not prolific enough.
Couple of good saves. It's just I don't see him ever breaking the 15 goal mark. Which Yakubu and Viduka both did. Still good bit of busniess with Yakubu, how shit does he look at Everton!
He was always cutting on to the left wing for some reason. But he doesn't seem to move at Everton.
His finishing is incredible though.
Until the Newcastle defeat I was basically in support of the manager, but now I can't see how they're going to get back to a decent league position without replacing him.
I don't know if blaming the manager is always the right idea, but they've got a quality team there really, but some thing's not working.
but the board gave Jol no assurances a few weeks ago, and he knows hes a dead man walking, how are you sposed to do anything in a situation like that. i think they should give him a chance, but i think its too late now.
in the summer before we had spent the money if they doubt was there. or waited til the end of the current season to go looking.
i like Jol. But its clear the board wernt fully happy as it only took a few games for them to look for someone else. So why let him spend this money?
Maybe future job prospects. I dunno?
i'm a man united fan, my step dad and brother are spurs supporters, and the impression seemed to be that they were hoping to be able to challenge for a CL place this year and that was basically the consensus between the majority of their fans.
i can't see what grounds they would've fired jol on.
He's available, a spurs hero and has said very recently that he wants the next club he manages to be London based, so Spurs is logical.
Otherwise Mclaren? He might be available soon, poss Hoddle?
Keane is by far our best player consistently