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and are you going?
more happy than a jolly old march.
we might even get some we are hezbollah lot joining in. YAY SWP!
Why would I do that?
CONGRATULATIONS ______! YOU HAVE WALKED ABOUT A BIT IN LONDON. THE BURMESE JUNTA (I love that word) HASN'T EVEN PRETENDED TO HAVE NOTED YOUR CONCERNS.
YOU HAVE WASTED ________ TIME!
YOU HAVE WASTED £_______ AND _____p.
YOU ARE A _________ HIPPY.
is the single best post I have ever read on DiS
do very little. Most people only show up because there's a free bus and they get to go on the piss in London.
Unless you are a Roman legion marching to viciously put down insurrection in some far flung corner of the empire.
and bother to read about what's going on over there.
Or not. It won't make any difference.
The Monks democracy march might have done some good if the country gave a shit about the people thought of them.
IN BRITAIN...etc the rest of what I said.
Didn't it? Yup.
The realist in me knows it's entirely pointless. Who's organising it?
says he's going to film it. Hope his camera doesn't get smashed.
The Burmese junta on holiday?
I'm too ill still.
but my heart is saying 'no'.
I don't like marches.
An anti-BNP march once affected my journey to Leeds one afternoon, badly. I was very angry.
I think they should have like a little square set aside for protesters, so that everyone else can get on with their lives, without being affected by a bunch of dreadlocked drug-addicts.
between :) and >:(
of the 'marches are pointless' brigade on petitions?
is better than most, in that it has an ambitious and headline-grabbing target (1 million signatures) and a plan of why these will actually sway anyone (leverage over china re: beijing olympics)
Marches and petitions are the same thing: Both propagate the illusion of being a form of direct democracy when in fact they're nothing of the sort.
Actually representative petitions would have to accommodate signatories registering their disagreement with the original petition's statement.
Likewise, every time you see a march with say, 100,000 people going along, that's 69,900,000 people that either wholly disagree with the march's intention, or couldn't give a toss.
petitions and marches don't seem to be about the rule of the people, but the expression of a vocal minority. they can be hated on this basis, or you can think 'well, the fact that a vocal minority has even formed on this issue, as it has failed to do on so many others, is a sign that I should consider the issue carefully'
and signed the one you linked to.
A petition has a clearly stated argument and you know what you're signing up for.
What made me angry about the anti-Iraq War marches was the way that, by opposing the Iraq War, joining the Stop the War coallition and marching, protesting etc. I seemed to be assumed to be standing for several other causes to. The Iraq marches were full of people with banners from totally different issues (why the fuck were the CND showing their banners at a march against people acting on Weapons of Mass Destruction? What did liberating Palestein have to do it with it either? How does being a Socialist Worker has any bearing on your opposition?)
Protest marches tend to take a complex issue and boil it down to simple slogans which isn't true of petitions.
the 'boiling it down to simple slogans' bit with the multiplicity of organisations and views that you mention as being present?
i have to agree about the SWP. but CND and suchlike - it's all connected. pointing out the folly of the money-chasing, self-perpetuating scaremongering of the arms industry and the military.