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Was it real or was it fake?
Richard Dawkins disagrees though; "There is mountains of evidence that we did!" he said recently - such as?!
is either pretty stupid or misinformed
go for it!
we even left stuff there!
Hitlers personal jet-fighter? I just weighed up both sides of the argument and personally find the pro-side full of death star sized holes.
I have a friend who taught astro-physics at Cambridge who thinks it was faked too.
intelligent people love a good conspiracy too. If it was faked, why can no one come up with any conclusive proof that it was? You are talking about thousands of people at NASA having to keep a secret plus people in the US government and the people who took part in the actual 'faking'. Not only that but you would have to fool some of the greatest scientific minds in the world also and as pointed out below the Russians would have tried anything possible to prove it was fake and they had spies infiltrate the very top of US government agencies yet could come up with nothing. Yet you know different?
no more than you do, i just dont buy the official line. Thousands of people at NASA believe we went there. I certainly think a rocket went there and back but there was no one on it. They were all play acting on a shoddy soundstage in the Nevada desert.
The trouble with any programme on tv and forums like this, is that too many people are not prepared to look at both sides of the debate with an open mind. Its just easier to sit back and take the piss out of the conspiracy theorists cos their all a 'Bunch of irrational loons!'.
but i think men have been there since!
for a fake landing to remain secret for 38 years. It most definately happened.
and far too many people(the russians) with massive amounts to gain by finding out it was false.
dont forget JFK aswell, nothing is as it seems.
that moon money is mine
What about this old chesnut? - we had the technology back in the late 60's, yet 40 years on, we have yet to attempt anything like it again. Curious, yes?
what would be the point of doing it now?
it's expensive and pointless to do it now it's already been done.
with the American public not wanting to spend tax dollars on it. They were all in favour of landing on the moon, but once that'd been achieved (and the Russians 'beaten'), their enthusiasm began to wane and NASA was perceived as a waste of money.
Yeah, because building an international space station is really a lot easier than landing on the Moon.
somebody would have let slip by now.
The media either ignore it or present it as a joke - its pretty easy dismiss cos it sounds so outlandish.
I'll give you incontrovertible proof that it was real that relies on no science whatsoever: The USSR said NOTHING.
This was the middle of the Space Race. The U.S. was determined to get to the Moon first and had a LOT of prestige riding on it.
You can bet your arse that if there'd been obvious things that the conspiracists talk about to imply it was fake the USSR would have made a big noise and it would have been common knowledge on the red side of the iron curtain.
Instead they just quietly gave up on all of it. Totally unlike every other aspect of those times between those two nations.
The Moon landings were real.
I have zero respect for anyone who thinks the moon landings were fake but I'm happy to sell them some magic beans for £1000 each.
They would have had to have been encased in 6ft of lead to survive but they were'nt. Every time NASA are questioned about this they go quite - FACT!
Oh, and Theo, go read some Noam Chomsky. Then you'll find out why the Soviets stayed silent - the Cold War was a facade.
* The Moon is ten times higher than the Van Allen radiation belts. The spacecraft moved through the belts in just 30 minutes, and the astronauts were protected from the ionizing radiation by the metal hulls of the spacecraft. In addition, the orbital transfer trajectory from the Earth to the Moon through the belts was selected to minimize radiation exposure. Even Dr. James Van Allen, the discoverer of the Van Allen radiation belts, rebutted the claims that radiation levels were too dangerous for the Apollo missions. Dosimeters carried by the crews showed they received about the same cumulative dosage as a chest X-ray or about 1 milligray. Plait cited an average dose of less than 1 rem, which is equivalent to the ambient radiation received by living at sea level for three years., pp. 160–162
* The radiation is actually evidence that the astronauts went to the Moon. Irene Schneider reports that thirty-three of the thirty-six Apollo astronauts involved in the nine Apollo missions to leave Earth orbit have early stage cataracts that have been shown to be caused by radiation exposure to cosmic rays during their trip. However, only twenty-four astronauts left earth orbit. At least thirty-nine former astronauts have developed cataracts. Thirty-six of those were involved in high-radiation missions such as the Apollo lunar missions. 
You clearly don't believe any space travel is real because all the current space flights go through that same belt. It's only dangerous if you spend a lot of time there.
Do some proper research.
You think you're more intelligent than me so that gives you the right to call me names yes? I have done proper research and it stretches further than the flat surfaces of wikipedia. If we cant discuss this without you behaving like a dreadful-cock then fuck off!
I just assumed you were taking the piss.
Frankly if you've researched it and you still think it's fake you really are a worry. I mean seriously.
You must also believe the 11th September was an attack by the Bush government on America, that Elvis is alive and all the rest, yeah?
If you're 'researched' it perhaps you'd like to explain why the the Van Allen Belts are actually backing up your theory? Or maybe you're a 'dreadful-cock'?
but Elvis still alive? Impossible! - he never really existed in the first place.
bamos doesn't exist you know? It's all an MI5 conspiracy.
and you only exist inside his head. Im an Agent Smith type sent by the bad-boys to taunt you all.
p.s. The Matrix is true!
In related news, I'm reading Moon Dust at the moment (about the astronauts in the Apollo programme), and it's really good.
its a surprisingly gripping read, reading about all their memories and what they have done since and stuff.
for all this physics mularky.
sitings in Roswell or wherever the fuck it is... ONYAAAAAAAAZ.
until you read the counterarguments and do a little bit of research. Then you are embarrassed to have ever been taken in by them. The same can be said for 9/11 conspiracy theories.
..anyone who says something is fact without witnessing it with their own eyes or having some big connection with it and argues for it with it is a fool.
Sorry but that is what i feel.
Without sounding like a twat, in this modern world it is the best choice to take.
I guess JFK didn't live let alone get killed...
Strange sort of get-out remark to make.
there were quite a few people in New York and I think quite a few people were watching JFK in his car..
Lee Harvey Oswald did shot the president, like they said but there was more to it than that.
other people did too
I don't get it.
There were astronauts there when they landed on the moon. Doesn't that make it a fact?
For the sake of the argument theres no point in saying 'to the best of my knowledge and with all the information provided i believe this to be true'. You have to work in extremes unless nothing is really 'fact' is it?
if it was fake then the special effects were fucking amazing for the time, even better than 2001 and Star Wars put together. In fact, best special effects ever.
you might noticed i am not arguing any side here.
it wasnt that great anyway was it? it was just shitty fizzy black and white TV then wasnt it?
plus all the photos
as i said im not arguing about this...you are though.
see above ^
and that is a pretty bizarre stance to take about the world, at least in a pragmatic sense
I am just trying to live in a way that will not leave me open to a false reality..
ok... so that does sound quite mental and insane BUT i would rather believe in nothing than live in a circle of lies.
I do not believe I am better than anyone for this it is just my own personal way of dealing with the world.
once you start trusting your own senses theres no reason why you shouldnt trust other peoples. its kind of an all or nothing state of affairs i reckon.
........Is it real!!!?!? :D
then dont change a single thing
thats what i should say.. sorry doing three things a once here