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So what do you think? And do you care?
during interviews etc, but maybe she is coping really well with the situation keeping it together for the family.
It was her husband Gerry who seemed rather cold-hearted.
So do we still care?
I suspect people are going to say loads of stupid stuff in this thread.
The bolder ones are going to make pathetic "bad taste" jokes because "it's all a larf innit".
I feel sad.
I'm only commenting on the fucking headline of the day. You always have some sort of negative vibe in every single fucking thread I make. Why read them?
I wasn't really directing that at you anyway.
It's just this place.... it.....gets to me. <breaks down>
Seriously though it's just the occasional nastiness on here. It's nasty.
Well maybe I overreacted then, but that's because I just finished a 12 hour nightshirt. Soz.
frame of mind I won't try and make a joke out of "12 hour nightshirt".
But you were probably right I did look like I was having a go at you so sorry. :)
he's right bad taste jokes do pop up a lot with threads about Madeleine M.
I haven't followed any of the story, it's pretty depressing.
why feel sad?
feel despair at the human race for being so brutally heartless and pity for all those who only have the emotional depth to be able fend of complicated feelings with simple playground-level jokes
but don't feel sad, it isn't your child that's gone missing
shame on me.
because I don't have any.
This story doesn't affect me; these sorts of things never do. I always feel a bit concerned that I lack some fundamental aspect of human emotion.
I started before you!
five minutes apart
looked at the bbc homepage a few minutes ago?
bought the Daily Mirror just to get free CD about the Nostradamus, and that was the main headline. I do feel bad about buying the daily mirror.
Not that I want the kid to be found dead and her mother arrested for the murder...
...but the idea of all these millions of people, including THE POPE, being suckered by this 3 month grief porn oddysey... that's gotta be worth about 500 points.
a good stand to take on life? If we say that about everything then do we even have a society/community anymore. I'd say not. I saw all these people in Hyde Park grieving over Princess Diana and I have to admit some of these people probably never grieved so much over their own family's deaths. If you don't know someone personally you can't really sincerely grieve about their death according to some people. I don't think I can either but I can sympathise with all concerned. I think people are too de-sensitised to really feel anything about the death of a person they never knew, no matter how brutal.
though I feel pretty sure I disagree
I think people are too de-sensitised to really feel anything about the death of a person they never knew, no matter how brutal.
that bit mainly, and this bit
I saw all these people in Hyde Park grieving over Princess Diana and I have to admit some of these people probably never grieved so much over their own family's deaths
which is relevant to what stealthy added so...
There was an article in the Times on Saturday, with little interviews of mentalists camping outside Kensington Palace and leaving flowers. One of them apparently made a poster every year and left it outside the gates. He was particularly proud of this year's effort which consisted of a Union Jack with Diana and Rhys Jones pasted on, with the, um, heartbreaking line, "who is the beautiful lady, Rhys?" He said that because Rhys Jones was only a baby when Diana died, he wouldn't be able to recognise her in Heaven. He also said that she was a manifestation of Christ, and would probably become the basis of a religion. Then he said he called her "Christ Diana", also adding that his sentiments were wise and worth writing down.
She's describing the inbuilt psychological response to traumas and tragedies which goes way back to caveman times.
Most people feel some sort of sympathy when they hear of an event like this, that's the way the world keeps turning. However, if everytime you heard of some kid dying and you felt the pain as if it were your mum - you obviously wouldn't be able to function in society.
you're right about psychological traumas but it's also any complicated feelings or concepts
I think it's a fairly natural instinct to attach such things to symbols to that people can share common grief and thus I disagree with patricide about the Diana thing because I think that a lot of people who were 'grieving over Diana' were really grieving over their own losses but Diana became a symbol for a brief time through which they were 'allowed' to show such emotion rather than feeling the task at hand was to show strength in order to keep their own families together through times of strife
I disagree completely that people were grieving over their own losses. They were grieving for someone who they thought they knew due to her over exposure and status. Diana wasn't an icon of any personal grief suffered by various individuals who made up the public mourners when she died, she was an icon to them full stop. I don't see how you relate public grieving over figures like her to people tying it to deaths in the family. Often when a public figure people admired and respected died they display a lot more grief than they display in situations closer to home.
we have to agree to disagree
I know plenty of people who couldn't give two shits about Diana when she was alive who found themselves crying inexplicably during her funeral broadcast and others who felt it necessary to make jokes all the way through that period which I view equally as 'an emotional reaction'
It certainly seems to be true though that an element of human nature is to symbolise difficult concepts to the point at which the icon itself becomes embodied as a total representation of the belief or idea such that any attack on the symbolic object becomes an attack on the entire concept
cartoons of Muhammad is a good example, there are many others, both religious and secular
I don't know if I'd go so far as that. I've always thought the Diana thing was an example of collective emotion. You walk out on to the street and you see everyone crying - you might ask "why is everyone crying?", but for 10 people behind you, some kind of semi-dormant primeval hyper-empathy kicks in and they just start crying themselves because it's what everyone is doing.
It was totally The Emperor's New Clothes. Except there was no-one to stand up and say "Hang on, she was just some pampered blonde tart whose husband evidently found her so boring ans shallow, he dumped her for someone older and less attractive."
I can't comprehend crying because other people are or being sad about something because it's how the majority feels. I noticed fractured grieving. People who'd been brought up to respect and admire the royals were filled with grief, say people brought up with the empire like grandparents and older parents and then you had other people, generally younger who couldn't quite comprehend it.
It does happen. There was this funeral a little while ago. I hardly knew the guy, but he was a big shot in his church and loads of people and nuns and shit were there - and when the music started, forget about it.
The place just went nuts with the tears - and it is really hard not to start welling up yourself with all the old ladies wailing and stuff.
the risk was always there...
Did you know Nostradamus' real name was Michel de Notredame?
Yes. Did you know even back then people thought he was a ridiculous Mystic Meg figure?
since the amount of information we have about it so far is minimal. But i'm very interested to see the reaction of the tabloid and pseudo tabloid media as this continues
the media find them guilty and people are suspicious which is ridiculous because a guilty person could just as easily put on a show of deep pain and grief. Remember the British nanny who was accused of shaking her charge or harming him in the U.S. The media made out she was guilty because she didn't show signs of obvious troubled/upset emotion.
none of these allegations have been made by the media (at least to my knowledge). Its all been trusting support. So, if this theory gains momentum will the papers backtrack, or stick to their guns, or do something completely different?
and I think it also affects what they can ask her
My inlaws nearly threw me out their house for suggesting such a thing! Well, she is a middle-class doctor after all...
yknow, that thing that everyone else had called months ago.
i wouldnt have said it. but he said it, so i imitated his pattern of speech. its a bit american really isnt it?
for (winks) I told you so.
Edward Woodward goes over to investigate.
oh my god! kate nash did it!
however, this should pretty much scupper their libel bid again the portugese newspaper.
I think the main motivation for treating Kate now as a suspect is that she can sought legal representation instead of just being treated as a witness. I think. I'm not sure about legal stuff.
though this has implications in and of itself
for instance, what new questions are there to be answered? new evidence? what did the DNA evidence from the blood reveal? has she omitted some things from her original statement(s)? etc
there was something amusing about it thinking it could fly - i know that's made up.
it really bores me.
What I found quite funny this morning was looking at all the newspaper front pages awash with pictures of 'Smacked Arse Face' McCann was the Independent's story about Switzerland - 'Europe's Heart of Darkness'. Much more interesting. What have those Swissers been up to?
this IS the independent.
Switzerland is where all the capitalist-roaders and reactionary scum live! We must destroy them!
say hi to Rose West.You are screwed
and the family were barking on about it at the weekend. So I said "you know nothing either way, so why do you presume the family are innocent?"
This is just the latest "Lost child" scenario that the media just love to jump all over. I however think there has to be balance. The McCanns have been shamelessly using the media to their own advantage and until now, no-one has even suggested that they could be the guilty ones trying to detract from their own mistakes.
We have seen it many times over the years, the "grieving parents" in a plea to everyone via the media actually turn out to be guilty as charged.
By invoking your own "trial by media" you have to accept that you could be accused yourself. Petty lawsuits just shows the myopia and self centredness of the parents.
"Oh they just want their daughter back" - yes maybe, but maybe they accidentally killed her and tried to cover it all up.
You will never know until all evidence comes out and this is the first time I have commented on this whole affair as the tedium is excruciating.
I FUCKING HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE
You know what, im going adopt and kill someone with a maddy t-shirt n blame it to mis-identification!
I FUCKING HATE EVRYTHING TO DO WITH MADDY
that people cry about tragic things that happen in films more than they do about tragic things that happen in real life.
because the film would have been geared towards evoking an emotive response whereas tragic real life occurances arent. but going back to the diana thing, grieving over her more than people you know is in some way understandable as she is portrayed as completely perfect, which is obviously bollocks, but with ordinary people you get to see different aspects of them- some undesireable.
They've found traces of Madeleine's blood in the back of the car the McCanns rented FIVE WEEKS after she went missing. Pretty macabre.
Cant find any reference to it...
25 days =/= 5 weeks! Still, long enough to be weird anyway.
was it the same car?
they should have checked. they probably have.
It hasn't been confirmed as Madeline's blood. I don't know how they would do that since they haven't found her/a body yet.
reliable sources say kate is gonna be charged with accidental death today
there was a guy saying numerous sources including police sources saying theyre gonna make an arrest today
and was involved it really makes a mockery of parents who loose their kids and never find out what happened to them.
Check Sky news they have pretty regular updates about it all.
after providing so much support (due to them being white and middle class).
etc.etc. the public will lap it up.
how theyre saying kate is the main suspect. How can gerry not have known though? its not like she could have nipped out for an hour without him knowing.
table getting more tapas.
It all makes sense now.
I feel really fucking sorry for him
that he's involved too but just hasn't been interviewed made 'arguido' yet.
Of course the other point to make about all this is that from the beginning, the Portuguese police don't divulge information about ongoing investigations.
So while they might have announced that they've named someone as a suspect, any other information anyone might have heard is either a unscrupulous leak, or plain, old fashioned made-up bullshit.
2. see point 1
3. No. DNA testing is much more advanced than that. My brother got his phone nicked a week or so back, and the police took away his jeans because they can get dna from them, just from when the guy shoved his hand in his pocket to take the phone.
2. I've no idea. She's been kidnapped and likely killed anyway. Would you rather, after all this, it was just some peado (which would only fuel the peadophile witch hunt thats going on, now maddie seems to have been canonised) , or it was them: the people who'd, as stealthy said, managed to dupe the pope, possibly making at least a few people not so silly?
I'm saying that someone's done it. It's horrible, yeah, but i would rather it was them, in this case, than some shady peado character, because theyd have managed to fool everyone, and the papers would be ashamed for cranking up the "poor maddie" notch to sell units.
It was only idiots that got caught up in the "Poor maddie!" nonsense, and theyre the reason it's got so out of hand. probably the same people that subscribe to "lady di: princess of hearts".
It might teach 'em a lesson.
Cruel world: sad but true.
I think it would be comeuppance for the newspapers at least, for exploiting this whole thing so blatantly. And people would learn a lesson: dont read papers
it was probably an accident that they paniced and covered up, I'd rather that than think it was someone who kidnapped her for unpleasant reasons
they had people literally following them everywhere they went for about 2 months.
maybe she is in a lake...it all adds up.