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not.... really. at all. whatsoever.
your college sells (sold) foie gras`???? WTF. I need to move back down south.
we used to get cold chips
just PETA. For glamorising the hurt of POOR DEFENCELESS ANIMALS. I don't care how many posey photos she takes. As long as she doesn't put any of them as her Facebook profile. And then add me.
but surely if 'glamour' raises awareness for their cause they would see that as a good thing ultiamately?
going to be looking on the PETA website?
not because I care about PETA. Like I said, I didn't even read it. Except for something about "How could someone with a name that cool NOT be great?!"
if marginally commited people have a look and then like the image of it as well as the message they would be more likely to get involved?
I can still shake my fist cynically.
It's going to take another few minutes before I can go at it again.
very old photos at that
but heh, the website is aimed at 14 year old kids, most of them wont notice
i mean the white race just is so opressed in the UK isnt it!
I'm not being mean. STOP IT.
sounds like something i'd hate though.
made in a really really shitty way in france (by shoving funnels down geese throats).
It is gorgeous but i dont eat it, although I'll eat anything else so i dont know why i bother making the exception.
if someoen doesnt feel comfortable eating a dead animal then why do it. i like animals, but im fine with eating them too.personal choice innit
whereby the kids are not allowed to not eat meat. ultimately it should be left to the individual to decide for themselves,but the world we live in is far from ideal.
Are you sure that's not just because there are more meat-eaters than veggies?
they can't understand them.
of you just looking all nice in a field and then cuts to horrid things done to animals, then back to you, then back to ripping apart animals...disgusting
and she tried to put pictures up of all the horrid things done to animals all over the fridge. we were like ummmmmmm this is a vegetarian house anyways so none of us are eating animals so i don't think we need to vomit everytime we enter the kitchen to get some food
yes raise awareness, yes make personal choices but dont try to force people to stop eating meat. i would still eat meat even if i did see those horrid things.
without having to see those images. so really, the images are absolutely unnecessary.
but as an organisation i hatehatehate them and their campaigns.
but i think the best way to achive things is via local groups
in my opinion, by going too far in some cases
with watching animals get killed? that's the last thing i ever want to see! if they love animals so much why do they always love looking at pictures of cruelty?
but yeah, the video footage is my main problem with it.
if people want to get involved with animal rights, they'll get involved. i think we could all do without the peer pressure bullshit involved.
because if you love animals you wouldn't be eating them anyways, you wouldn't need to see the pictures/videos.
or maybe it is illogical..logic is not my forte.
i like pork, bacon, steak...
they just use the videos in trying to recruit others.
she put images all over the fridge, left magazines all over the living room, it was awful.
into joining up.
because they want to make people aware of it
whether these tactics are useful/appropriate is debatable but the intention is clear
sure, the intention's obvious, but it's still a bit crass.
that's what I was replying to, the idea that PETA were somehow contradicting themselves by showing these images when they clearly aren't. i agree that it is crass, especially considering how ineffective shock tactics have been proven to be
rosie's cameo at the end is wonderful. you were pretty good too though.
i dont get it
im from Portsmouth for christs sake
but hers was ok!
recently. i was unsure as to how to take it..
im not that chubby anymore, my hairs normaly a curly mess and im certainly not that posh sounding... i hope
im sure no one was thinking you was chubby or whatever you are worrying about.
you all talk in my accent!
(not my real accent, the one in my head)
all the post with an english accent, heheheh (or scottish or wherever the person is from..this might get complicated in me head)
i've seen in their profiles!
sorry thought you were just talking about d&b.
*slaps self with stupid stick*.
i thought you KNEW how english my accent is. but my secret is safe..
and post it on the internet. that would be rad if everyone did!
only heard tell, i think he should post it though...
D I S C O... D I S C O...
to ensure a fair test.
if only i had the technology..
there was a video message that me and one of my friends sent back from holiday once. i was horrified that i couldnt understand i word i was saying. :(
too english and too posh.
i have a scottish accent in my head.
singing either get-up kids or poison, i can't remember which one my friend posted...oh dear lord
you sang both. i get it.
i was momentarily confused as to how you'd get mixed up between the get up kids and poison..
Siobhan! That was cool!
i have a problem with shoving chickens into little cages though
you obviously have a way stronger stomach than i do
to meet girls.
place your bets.
When I was about, say, ten or eleven
I went with my school, to this farm in devon.
Saw all these animals
Some sheep were all like "baah"
And its about this time
I realised eating meat was baaaaaaaad
So I went on a website
it also thought eating meat was shite
I campaigned "day and night"
To do what I thought was right
Went to KFC
I was all like "Look at me!"
They were all like "gee
we'd better stop killing chickens and stuff"
i thought she was rapping. Wicked cadence, yo.
Yum, yum, yum.
kfc is fucking rank.
they have for customers. Offering food in a bucket for fuck sake. You wouldn't stand for it anywhere else.
never seen more on every corner in my life! LONDON IS CHICKEN EATING CAPITOL!!!
It's well nice.
I can't sleep and im bored.
Stop using "it tastes nice" as a defence.
for a start, it doesent taste nice. Secondly, meat eaters often try imply that non-meat eaters are somehow passionless or dead inside because they can't appreciate the taste of some nice fatty veal. Thirdly, you have responsibilities beyond your own tastebuds. Grow up.
i have no responsiblities where food is concerned.
tell us it doesn't taste nice. Taste is subjective thing surely.
Don't be ridiculous. I'm not getting into the morals of death and that, but we can agree that being cruel to stuff is bad, right?
You buy meat, right?
Therefore, its a product. It is not food. It is not your god given right to something, just because you shit it out the other end.
Trainers are a product. Would you buy trainers from a company who not only used slave labour, but also whipped the kids to make them sew faster?
Most meat isnt ethically produced. I'll say for the sake of argument that organic, ethically produced meat is fine (which i dont believe, but thats based on personal morals and the whole "not killing stuff" thing)
Are you seriously saying that you believe most meat is ethically produced? Are you seriously saying that? I mean, seriously?
SERIOUSLY? DO YOU KNOW... THINGS?
so i eat it. sorry.
food chain and all that.
you win by virtue of saying ROFL at someones point.
The food chain is when bigger animals eat smaller animals, because thats the biggest thing they can kill without being killed. It's about survival, not sustenance.
As sentient beings, living in a society with morals, ethics, and all the rest, we have choices to make, and responsibilities. We don't need to eat meat, we know that the production of it (at least on the scale that it is today) is wrong. We care exempt from the food chain.
so what you beleive is wrong. i.e. killing animals to eat (which goes on in nature all the time) does not necessarily apply to everyone else.
im happy for you to think it is wrong and not eat meat and i wont criticise you in any way for doing so. but i expect the same in return, ill eat meat if i want to.
besides in years past we were part of the food chain, the human body requires a lot of things that come from meat. why should we look at alternative ways of getting it, when i enjoy eating meat and its worked for years.
If you eat meat, i see that as having the morals "it's ok to be cruel to stuff", not "i think its ok to eat animals".
Either way, i see it that your still implicated in the cruelty.
Now its either
A. You apply the moral "its ok to be cruel to stuff" to everything, and are generally a bastard (highly unlikely)
B. You only apply that moral to eating animals, which i see as hypocritical.
and that it is not necessarily cruel. supermarkets in general are pretty cruel to human beings, yet i dont see you boycotting them. (not the best example, but ive been working all day and im tired)
same as crablins argument in that "klaxons playing for slavelabour topshop conference"
"Where do you think that computer youre typing on was made? In taiwan by some underpaid kid, that's where! You fucking hypocrite blah blah blah"
As i said, "responsibilities". everyone should try and be compassionate, and do whatever they feel is enough. Not eating meat is an incredibly easy and obvious place to start.
This leads us back to subjective morals, and here, my friend, is what we call a circular arguement, and the reason why this has been going on for years.
"I dont eat meat, and im not neccesarily happy about other people doing it. I'll try to convince them otherwise but at the end of the day its their choice, whether i disagree with it or not"
but i dont agree and we shall never agree. however i feel that even if i did think eating animals was wrong, theres plenty of other more pressing places to start.
i just think in this case its better to discuss it but ultimately live and let live.
im going to bed. night.
ditto. Night all.
And of course i dislike other people eating meat. Its against my morals. I dont see how I couldnt.
This takes us back to subjective morals and all that crap, which has been dealt with.
And anyway, you're basically full of crap.
^seemingly obligatory personal insult
the way meat is raised and all today is killing off the world and it's creatures. humans should be expanding their minds to grow and learn how to keep the world alive but instead most of us are just dumb fucks to a certain degree, i myself on that scale too.
seriously, if you want to criticise me eating meat, be able to back it up. most of the meat people eat is produced soley for that purpose, i.e. it wouldnt exist if it wasnt going to be eaten. when i see reports of 'chicken shortages' then maybe ill take that point into consideration.
to raise animals, not that we have a goddamn chicken or cow shortage! jesus christ. maybe you should do some research to back up your stupid argument because you think we're just worried about all the poor little effing chickens, well NO it's much more a world issue than that and I'M not going to explain it all to you, maybe go learn something on your own.
because thats what i got from it. and basically keifallen has answered it better than i could have.
been in any way universal
that have arisen out of our evolution to disguise our cold, selfishness?
1) i like the taste
2) I've never had an issue with vegetarians
3) If I were to take responsibility for everything i do, I'd have a lot of humans to consider before i thought about animals.
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1. I was being flippant, though i really dont get how blood can taste good
2. i used to eat meat. Then I didnt. So ROFL at that.
3. Basically, ROFL @ your stupid macho bullshit.
the better it actually tastes.
in a meat vs. veggie argument, everyone involved always ends up sounding like a dickhead? (but esp keif).
often due to their views on "murder" of animals.
I subscribe to that, but i also dont eat meat because of all the capitalist stuff that goes with it, and the way it's produced.
Meat eaters get angry because they think our not eating meat is somehow a protest against them.
but its also because they feel guilty. Even if they say they don't, they do. Even a tiny bit. I really dont see how you couldnt.
because its late and i fancied an argument. And i got one in the form of Keif "Captain caveman" allen
i have a theory - all people called keith allen are bad people. It stands up to scientific testing.
so you don't think there's a capitalist argument to be made against supermarkets short-changing hard-working farmers who supply their over-priced, organic foodstuffs?
But im more against some cunts making billions out of (what i see as, in my opinion, blah blah blah) a cruel and immoral industry than somebody not being paid enough for their "clean" foods.
I'm also against the capitalist ideal of meat as a "product" (i know i said up there it was, but im talking about it in a different context) and how people basically eat far too much meat, and its complete consumerist bullshit.
But thats how supermarkets and fast food chains make their money.
I don't think you're making much difference.
You seem to be saying "what's the point in being vegetarian, youre not making any difference"
which is basically
"whats the point in being against something when you still support it in other ways"
which i was equating to yours
anyway, its late
so any opinion beyond this is basically just telling people what to do.
can you beat your chest and jack off at the same time? I dunno. Keif probably can.
Good work there.
I quite like Peta sometimes, their anti-fur stuff has been good. I don't really approve of their preachiness when it comes to vegetarianism and the like though.
Also, they run stuff like this:
"Enter Your Child"?
tss. not sure anout all this.
be fine without us...
but really, our ways are fat more in danger than that of a big, non-chalant, ambivalent floating spaceship..
Save the "earth"?
I hope theyre eaten by the ugly ones
oh and don't fuck the cute animals, i love them!!!!!!!!!! wait, what animals are ugly?? NONE! OK THEY'RE ALL SAFE! ME AND THE BUNNIES! YAY! oh my i should get some sleep....
are you a scientologist? gimme some happy!
their ad campaigns using holocaust imagery next to battery chickens is just infuriatingly ill-advised, and also they make me laugh:
jeeeeeeeeeez. What am I? Some kind of "saying-stuff machine"?
I'd like to state, for the record, i don't agree with everything peta has to say
however, they do alot of good in raising awerness for various causes, yes their tacticts are a little extreem and stupid, but atleast they're getting the message across
This thread is really boring
I don't approve of PETA because I would like to think of myself as a liberal and I don't think PETA are a liberal organisation
They are a highly unpleasant organisation and the end really doesn't justify the means.
I don't really like eating lots of farmed meat that much because it doesn't taste that awesome, but game is the most gorgeous food ever and is totally ethical and sustainable.
My real problem with meat eating is the environmental concerns rather than the animal rights concerns, but I'm not a vegetarian.
The government should have banned factory farming rather than fox hunting.
dishonest roast potatoes
soon you'll come to appreciate the delicate and wonderful taste
parsnips are awesome!
where soya (a vegan staple) is heavily farmed.
crops are used to feed livestock
and regarding soya, a large amount is grown in the amazon to feed livestock
soya bean crops being put where rainforest has been cleared.
Soya is added to many many producrsa and like palm oil has become just a tool of mass food production conglomerates. Soya is also used to feed livestock as is much corn. I believe that if organised industrial livestock feeding were not in place then on the same area of land that is cultvated for crops twice the number of people could be fed.
If all the area used for livestock were used for crops then 3 or more times the number of people could be fed.
So that shirt is a 'dick' statement
Especially this: http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/2374124#r2375553
I actually will never ever go to KFC again.
In the 90's, PETA were very closely associated with the ALF.
The ALF used to bomb scientists.
For example, they'd attach a car bomb to a scientist's car when it was parked outside his home, and then the wife would start it up the next morning and get her legs blown off.
They also used to publish magazines with specific instructions on how to make home bombs, etc etc.
I have no idea if these groups (or branches off the groups) are still as extreme, but I just think you should be aware.
Apologies if this is ^^^ up there somewhere, it's a long thread.
and stupid, as most people who use bombs are