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One of the people who are is called 'Racist Bigot' lolz
but then, neither does Boris so yes!
Better than that humourless newt fucker and general global embarrassment that London is stuck with at the moment.
The Libs have picked Brian Paddick apparently....utter LOLfest the whole thing.
I'm happily backing Boris.
That's not an anti gay point (this is DiS, you have to make these things clear!), he's a loose cannon.
Not in the predictable way that Boris is, people expect it from him and you can spot his gaffes coming from a mile off...Paddick is different, part of the establishment and yet against it.
Dangerous, even for the Libs who are more prone to brave choices when it comes to candidature nominations.
it'll be funny to watch how badly they fail
So yes, I back him for the Tory Candidacy
so possibly 'yes'
but i wouldn't be very eager to allow a tory into power. having said that i like him, he has a kind of emo sweep and rides a bike
does that matter?
so yeah i gets it
i am 100% sure that no Conversative administration has ever done business with a dodgy tinpot dictator somewhere in the third world. at all. ever. nope. no sireee.
and on the whole guns are more violent than oil
and unless i'm mistaken the tories were chums with franco too.
"Not as far a i know we haven't"
Seriously, is that a joke??
He's my hero.
a dictatorship? Stop spreading misinformation.
but he is still better than most leaders.
gayguevara seems to consistently forget that governments are allowed to help the poorest people in their area, not just the richest who need least help.
Chavez started the process as soon as he got into power, clamping down on opposing opinion in the press and fanagling the constitution in an attempt to limit the ability of both other political parties and the population in general to remove him from power.
Sounds dictatorial to me.
(and UN monitored elections, mind) and referedums than any other elected leader on earth. Granted, there is a bit of a cult of the personality thing going on, but do you think the millions of people who are learning to read and write for the first time and recieving much better healthcare give that much of a shit?
And he's doing a hell of a lot to lift other South American countries out of the absolute economic destruction that the IMF left behind, Argentina being the prime example.
Something like 85% of the press is privately owned, that RCTV thing was a joke, you can still watch it on cable! What government on earth would continue to fund a tv channel which rabidly advocated a foriegn-backed military coup against it? None, is the answer.
of the Venezuelan elections were monitored by the UN?
Also, this would have been more credible had you simply said 'Chavez has won legitemate elections' rather than appending your opinion that even if he had rigged them, it wouldn't have mattered because venezuelans are, apparently, too stupid and poor to care about democracy.
I said 'there is a bit of a cult of the personality thing going on', which is not the same as 'he rigs elections'.
The election in late 2006 was monitored by the UN, the EU, The Carter Centre and the Organisation of American States.
monitored by the Carter Centre and the OAS but I thought the OAS report was quite critical? Could be wrong.
Have you got a source on the other 2 monitors?
before the event, mind.
I'm still working on the UN one, I might have to backtrack on that.
out of comical interest to see what grand schemes he comes up with. Working for tfl as I do, I ask myself how trouble can he cause? and wait with baited breath to see first hand what he has in store...
(I'm nothing to do with the underground, just a mere data entering, lackey)
As much as I enjoy his occasional jaunts into HIGNFY and the like I really don't think he'd be a great figurehead for London.
but I wouldn't vote Conservative and also, whilst not perfect, I genuinely think Ken Livingstone's been doing a good job for the last few years and I don't think Boris Johnson will do a better one.
The fact that the Conservatives and Lib Dems were considering a joint bid against him proves how hard they think he'll be to beat. And in this case I genuinely think there's a good reason for that in that I don't think either of them have proposed anyone who'd do a better job as Mayor.
Ken has done this city more good than anyone ever pays him heed for. He's so passionate about London, that is more than evident in everything he does.
Boris is a comedy pseudo-politician who will pick up votes for his stand up act, rather than any stiff political agenda he may claim to follow. He's a bellend.
Ken ftw, FOREVER.
I <3 Ken.
I also agree with you.
but I also agree with you.
"Ken Livingstone is a folk hero...you know what I'm talking about"
But as a Londoner born and bred, I'd really like to know what someone who is not from London, nor has ever lived has planned on how he thinks make our lives better.
I'm backing Ken. The Mayor only really has power over transport and he's done a good job. So he has my vote.
travel to the job interviews you'd no doubt insist they crawl to
you did just claim that people would stay on benefits in order to have access to concessionary bus travel. i think you're a little removed from the real world ...
'He also introduced half price bus fares for those on benefit. What a wonderful way of making it easier for those on benefit to stay on benefit.'
what? this is so ridiculous. SO ridiculous. do you KNOW how much the dole is? it's FUCK ALL. also, i don't know how true this is, as i'm on benefits and haven't got half price bus fares. but i'm not sure what is included in this. ANYWAY. the fact that people stay on the dole for long periods of time isn't because of half price bus fares. i personally think it's an attitude thing.
I'M on the dole. because, i got made redundant. and wanted a break. and time to try and get a job i really wanted. also, i've paid my taxes, so i deserve to get something back from the government. there's nothing wrong with going on the dole.
i think you're generalising also. i think the dole is a fucking great thing. people abuse it, i'm well aware, but some people don't, and it helps them. without the dole, i would have been absolutely fucked. and unable to buy food, pay my rent, have my loan payments paid for me - until i get a job.
and, the dole is £46 per week. i could spend that in one night on booze. so, if people had to say, travel to an interview, a few times a week - it may seem little to most, but that £2 odd per journey is an awful lot.
i've been refused TWICE. when i really needed it. there is an absolute rigamarole involved when applying. it takes ages and you have to go through interviews etc. to get it, to provide bank statements, tenancy agreements, wage slips.....
i don't particularly get how people abuse the benefits system - by what, faking disability etc? if so, maybe then they should bring in more checks and things, but i'm unsure as to the way they do it.
period they have to go in and explain why. i think.
i suppose every case is different.
saying that there are lots of people, especially in the north that have no intention of working - is a bit.... over the top and generalising again.
i don't know why people get so het up about it anyway. why should we care? as long as you contribute and when you need it most, the money is available for you to use, why complain?
you don't know their circumstances. there are many many other factors involved in why they're on the dole.
they may not be skilled.
the may not be fully educated.
unfortunately - crime pays. as such. but that's a different argument.
swan around and watch Trisha at the same time?
if GayGuevara represents your future.
Yes the cost of living is lower "up north" but I doubt many of us would feel we were living "comfortably" on the dole.
Turn off the electricity! Just drink water! You'll be fine.
Or do you really believe that the North is SO different to London that £40 is enough to live on 'comfortably' a week? I know people like to jest about it, but you have to be quite foolish to truly believe that this is possible.
but, things like food aren't different prices are they. and my mates up north have told me how much transport costs up there. it's not as cheap as you think.
rent can be discounted as it is paid by housing benefits.
SO. really the only difference between getting the dole up north and in london - is the price of booze. but not even. really.
OK I'm not going to take responsibility for anything I say from now either. It all appeared in a think tank report somewhere.
That's just pish.
"there are lots of people especially in the north" that "don't work and have no intention of ever working" what's your basis for this?
I'm not saying your wrong but is this something you're assuming or that you've actually seen provable statistical informaiton on?
"those that don't work and have no intention of ever working (of which there are lots, especially in the north)"
bollocks. have you ever been to tower hamlets?
Q. How many times would you have estimated they'd have rejected you if they'd seen how much dole money you were getting though on the weekend?
Just to play DA, like...
He reminds me of the weird socially dysfuctional kid at uni who did Classics and looked like his mother dressed him.
private eye had a list of boris quotes last week.
i'll try and find them. they are funny. one even uses the word "crikey!"
now, tell me, what is bozza actually good at?
i'll dig out the eye on my tea break. rendez vu here? twenty past three?
"Bloody awful. Wouldn't cath me one one"
"Just what brother fox deserves if you ask me"
Clive Anderson Show 2002
"A lot of ghastly oiks drinking lager and getting paid too much"
The Spaectator 2004
"Good idea, About time these silly buggers got married"
Radio 5 2004
"Bit of a lefty"
"Cripes! You've caught me out there. Is he a member of a pop group or something?"
"What's wrong with them? I had two when i was a little chap. I called them 'Kenyatta' and 'Kaunda' Takes you back, what?"
Letter to Eton College Chronicle 1973
Traf Sq Pigeons
"Jolly little fellows! Bring them back, I say. You can't have too much of them."
London LIte 2006
Extra Marital Legover
"Top Hole! Whoops! Leave that bit out, will you?"
Interview with Lads and Ladmen Magazine 2005
thinking he's "wacky" really counts.
And in a way that's Boris Johnson's biggest problem and biggest asset. He's a known personality and people will judge him as a personality as much as anything else.
Clearly Boris Johnson DOES have policies. He outlined them yesterday.
I'm not gonna vote for Boris Johnson and it's possible that he is a bigoted old fool with a very misused brain.
But it's simply bollocks to say he doesn't have policies. Because he's already outlined them.
you weren't taking about his policies.
Just to let you know, the single largest enclave of Jewish voters in London has returned a Labour MP in every general election since 1997.
But y'know, Boris is 'part Jewish' so no doubt that will crumble...
learn something new etc etc..
Hill has a pretty large jewish community but huge numbers of them are unregistered. Also, i think stamford hill is in the Hackney North constituency, the rest of which is v. unjewish.
And that antisemitic thing was the biggest non-story of last year, it was just the evening standard getting desperate
livingstone compared him to a concentration camp guard in that the reporter's excuse for doorstepping him at a party was that he was 'just following orders'.
And he hardly knew the reporter was Jewish.
If you really think he was wilfully making a cheap anti-semitic jibe then you're nearly not as smart as I thought you were.
I generally respect you 'cos you tend to make intelligent arguments I disagree with but here you're being wilfully stupid to make a point.
Can someone just get a transcript?
He was basically pointing out how stupid the phrase "I'm only following orders" is as a justification for anything.
As Concentration Camps are an example of the fallacy of that logic, it was a perfectly relevant example, which the guy in question made a big deal over simply 'cos the Evening Standard hates "Red Ken". If a Tory politician had said the same thing they wouldn't have batted an eyelid.
isn't it us bleeding heart liberal leftes who are meant to get over-sensitive about not-especially-offensive phrases of words.
Ken Livingstone's words were anti-semitic in the samw way that "the three little pigs" nursery rhyme is offensive to Muslims.
in legitimately using the term "this is political correctness gone mad" at the time.
absolute political sensitivity and tact from your mayor? Good luck with Boris!
actually invented by the British.
During the Boer war.
It's also important to realise that a Concentration Camp isn't the same as a Death Camp (the Nazis had both). A Concentration Camp was a place where you could round up communities likely to be against you and lock them up and not somewhere where you actually exectue your enemies.
Of course, by locking them up in horrible conditions lots of people died in these camps anyway (both Boers at the hands of the British and Jews at the hands of the Nazis) but the phrase Concentration Camp tends to be misunderstood and confused with the Death Camps like Auschwitz, Belsen etc. where the Nazis killed large numbers of people in a deliberate and calculated manner.
there were concentration camps in the US during WW2.
that there was one in arizona that was actually the 4th biggest city in the state or something.
than the German-American, but yes.
120,000 Japanese-Americans vs 11,000 German-Americans. hmm.
Should he have apologised? No.
It's a complete non-story.
It was unbelievable that got taken seriously.
I've no idea how the fuck accusng someone of acting like a Concentration Camp guard could be construed as anti-semitic. It was a complete fucking nonsense. People call officious people Fascist or Nazis all the time and it's so obviously got fuck all to do with anti-Semitism and this was exactly the same thing.
In fact Oliver Finnegold (or whatever his name is) just made me damn fucking angry. Anti-semitism's a serious thing and he was just using it as a cheap way to score political points.
which is a non starter, yet no one mentions the time he told 4 Jewish contracters he thought were trying to take him for a ride to "Go tell it to the fucking Aiyotallh!(sp)".
His defence was "Sorry I didn't know they were Jewish, I thought they were Iranian"
"I didn't know they were Jewish."
"Their names are Reuben."
"Garbled fax. It came out as Al-Reubeni..."
"I am a deluded Nazi", mainly because it's just after someone's town name, so it looks like a proclamation
"Barnet, I am a deluded Nazi"
The Boris campaign could go so badly to as scupper the tories chances at the next election so in that way he could be a good thing - he has extremely right wing views which will put almost everyone off when push comes to shove. It will certainly ensure a big turnout which will probably help Ken (& maybe Gordon if the elections are on the same day)
Can someone please summarise - I'm a busy man...
(n.b. I won't be voting Boris)
Amusing guy but with slightly worring hints of extrene right-wing tendencies. Don't really trust him to do a better job than Ken Livingstone.
The Congestion Charge is bad for those who are self-employed or run a tight business and which relies on a vehicle to achieve that, I can accept that. If they don't get an exemption or massive reduction then they should, though it would be open to abuse.
Aside from that it really only penalises yummy mummies who aren't taxpayers.
What other taxes has he brought in?
since you said 'penalise'...
that only a very small amount of the council tax you pay goes to his office, and most still goes to your local council?
What was wrong with the Rates? If she hadn't decided to try and fuck the country over with the Poll Tax we might be better off in that regard.
Fact is that the Council Tax was being collected and squandered long before Ken came into power. You have claimed he penalises the hardworking taxpayers of London. I still don't see how he's done this.
about £70/month when i move into my new place. i think that's about fair, but i'm an overpaid local government worker so i guess i probably would...
I live in the poorest borough in London and am in the lowest council tax band in London.
I'd show you my council tax bill if I had the means to put it up on here.
I may be wrong about the poorest borough (it's tower hamlets, i thought it was the poorest but some further reseach seems to point to barking surprisingly, i didn't even know that was in London). Either way, it's a poor area and in the lowest tax band.
just your hearty congratulations on my defeat of your inaccurate argument.
and you're actually being very rude now.
I thought you were the one who was all for good manners.
he was mistaken. lies are deliberate.
You decided to nitpick.
But as he said "Either way, it's a poor area and in the lowest tax band."
You're not allowed to call someone a liar in Parliamentary debate you know?
'i live in a poor area and therefore pay more council tax than average becuase less people in a poor area pay council tax and people like me who do make up the shortfall' (or words to that effect).
This is not true. The level of council tax you pay is based upon the value of your home. In a poor area, the majority houses are worth less than average, therefore the majority of people in a poor area pay less than average council tax. If you live in a more expensive house than those around you in a generally poor area, then you pay more. It's got nothing to do with how many people are on benefits in your area, which is what I'm assuming you were implying.
the benefits to which you refer is council tax benefit. So, no...
replaces the council tax that would have been paid if they were not on benefits. So there's no shortfall.
as i understand it, the property is still charged the council tax, but the benefit is paid to cover it. it's basically just internal book keeping, one department paying another.
of course, the money comes from *somewhere*, but you can't really say that some people pay more of that specific tax because others pay less. i'm not actually sure where local councils get their benefit money from, it's probably part of what they get from central government.
I don't think so, not if you're on housing benefit anyway.
but that money was going to the things that the GLA ran before, yes?
I'd be hard pushed to necessarily give you 'good things' Ken has done. I honestly don't know what he's achieved.
Since he's been in power:
- Buses have got far more frequent and run much more often (through the night), which is good for me getting home.
- The congestion zone has (to my mind) reduced congestion (but not as much as I'd like)
- There are more London 'things' that promote community, the massively amazing free fireworks a in 2005 would be a case in point.
- The tubes have become incredibly expensive, or certainly have increased a great deal, though the buses have become much cheaper.
- The tubes have, I think, shown a greater propensity toward striking but this may mean there was more for them to strike over. Also, I didn't have to use them for much of the 90s so I can't fully comment.
I don't see how the hardworking taxpayers of this city have been fucked over by him.
Ken is to you how Thatcher is to us, except not as deserving of the blind hatred.
by existing they enhance the city's tourist potential and thus its revenue. I consider things like that big elephant thing with the girl that happened over a week and the grass all over Trafalgar Square to by symptomatic of the sort of thing that didn't happen really in London 10 years ago.
As to car ownership, well London really isn't a city for cars. If you're going to own one then it WILL be expensive but that's what happens when you're in a city that has about 5 million commuters entering it. I've known too many people who are frankly just lazy and would rather drive into London than grab a tube. It seems silly. This is probably the only city in the UK where public transport is the most viable option for most intra-city travel so we should use it.
And I haven't made my vote based on them. I believe that even someone like Boris, will have to be in London a lot thanks to parliament and so it's about having to use this city's infrastructure. As such I think anyone in charge will almost certainly do things that will benefit our lives as dwellers here.
However, Ken so far has always been the man who appears to know more about London and have better ideas and feelings about it. On other forums I notice a lot of people who don't care for him tend to be people who don't even live in London, just come in for work, etc. I think Londoners tend to like him and I would imagine there's a fair few who also vote for him despite not caring for his politics.
how would it be discouraging?
take their range rovers from belgravia into soho for a spot of lunch without paying the kengestion charge!
is soho 'out' now? i don't really eat out, so i wouldn't know...
so they don't have to pay in any case? :D
and certain models of cars, mostly ludicrous petrol-guzzling 4-wheel drives, are to be made completely exempt from the discounts :D
i'm still not entirely sure if i believe them all, even though they
a) sound perfectly plausible for boris and
b) all have appropriate references.
i don't think that the increase in passenger exchange speeds over a standard double decker makes up for the lack of seating and extra physical space they take up on the roads.
also they tend to be even more full of skanking pickpockets than usual buses. i don't think it's any coincidence that the 29 is basically the worst route in london and a bendybus...
a) loads of people jump them for free
b) they knock cyclists over a lot, allegedly
c) they're all bendy, and stuff
d) CHANGE IS BAD
I quite like them. They bend! Everything bendy is by definition ace. I think. Subject to me remembering something crap and bendy. Which is unlikely.
a bendy bus is better than sex.
I first experienced this phenomenon on a Sheffield tram. It was incredible.
Don't be offended if I say I can't remember it.
The Hillsborough Knee Trembler?
I swear he's following me.
four of them nose to nose, at right angles to one another, with the rear section bent at a right angle, and look at them from the sky, they form a SWASTIKA!!!!!!!!! SICK!!!!!!!
let's be honest here, it's free transport. And there's definately less aggro on the night bendy buses than the normal ones.
last time i looked bus prices were being reduced by 10%.
And I know it's not actually 'free', but sod it, I'm skint. A pound means more to me than it does to TfL.
apart from when they're going around tight corners with traffic lights and holding up the flow - ie 73 at Kings Cross.
there's not MUCH too offensive there really.
(Disclaimer : I still think he's woefully unsuitable.)
you can't really quote someone's off-the-cuff remark from HIGNFY either.
theo, DiS messageboard, 2006
but you are more than clever enough to get it.
I don't get you.
i think they are muchly in jest (see thatcher quote). though i agree with your disclaimer. especially with regard to ken's concentration camp guard joke.
Not for £1.50, no.
and realised how great it has become since I used to work on that side of the river. And that's largely down to Ken.
Fuck Boris with a hammer.
he's a tory! i don't care how good his hair is!! Also, it's slightly worrying that people are going to vote for him because they find him 'funny' :S
just shipping in someone to try and be a mayor of anywhere is going to be problematic. Labout tried with dobson, and now the tories with boris. Ken has a long history with london and i think people appreciate/pick up on that.
His seems to be a half hearted and badly thought out campaign. While he is a 'character' and therefore appealing, I think it detracts from him actually doing a good job. Was that job application he 'completed' for the role and which got published actually real? If so it just adds to his half arsed approach to life.
I like Ken, I think he's done a good job, I think he's passionate and he listens to the people who live here.
Livingstone said that Britain's treatment of the Irish over the last 800 years had been worse than Adolf Hitler's treatment of Jews.
This doesn't make him an anti-Semite, but he certainly talks shit. I don't really want to vote for either of them to be honest.