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'Trees are made of wood'
DiScuss reasons why this statement is both true and false.
this is a serious thread.
I'm no quitter!
(what the holy hell is a belming?!?)
under your bottom lip and go 'NNNNNN! Dibby! NNNNNN! NNNNN!' or similar. Don't do it for too long, or it might make you a little HORSE, CHESTNUT.
You don't mind if I call you chestnut?
a CONFIERsation. LEAF us alone.
that won't get to the ROOT of the problem.
i'll be SYCAMORE puns.
that one's been done
BRANCH out into comedy though
wood is like .... dead tree?
made out of reconstituted paper.
my cat smells like cat food
trees are made of leafs, and a trunk. like an elephant. i'm sure there's a christmas cracker joke in there.
A. A tree because it has a trunk
in other news:
Popular letter-mangling oaf meths was incredulous at a thread about trees on a Friday morning, exclaiming 'What?'
NO PLACE FOR PHILOSOPHY
He believes there is no place for philosophical threads this early.
CONFUSED OF BARNET
Especially when he can't get his head round what's going on.
Nope, just meths.
rather that trees being made of wood.
but i cant see it.
Jesus is oft referred to as 'a carpenter'.
Why the certainty and definateness about this element of his life when many other factors are no known.
I believe that this may have been emphasised.
I believe that tat some point of translation the nuance of what was meant by the original phrase might have been miscontrued, or interpreted slightly differently.
I believe that the carpenter interpretation came from statements to the idea that 'He knew all about wood'
th as in the bible it mentions he knew all 'from the terebinth to the hyssop'
This is particularly relevant.
It is supposed that Jesus went on travels with his uncle 'joseph of aramathea, it is supposed that he visited many theological and religeous sites from all over europe......this is not at all unlikely, if he wished to learn and understand about human spirituality........
He is menat to have gone to a major sacred learning centre at stanton drey and pilton in somerset.
Whether he went to learn or to teach is imaterial.
Old europe t alphabets andthat were based on tree alphabets. This is sensible and practical, old europe also had 'months that were assigned to trees.
This is sensible because it ties up the properties of themost important of materials to burgeoning societies.
Trees have many various properties, to build shelter, irrigation, transport, tools, weopons, to dye, preserve, glue, eat, provide fibre, and parchment.
Diverser (useful) plants such as ivy, reed, vine, bramble might also have been included as trees in the tree alphabets.
Therefore the statement 'he knows all about wood' would mean.....he knows everything (especially as since the calendrical tree circle meant he knew all about the whole of life cycles)
I can further illustrate any points that people might be doubtful on
When people keep referring to Jesus being a carpenter, was probably a nuance missed due to translation, subtleties/inferences missed (you know the type of thing when you use a foreign language dictionary)
I believe the original would have been 'Jesus knew all about wood' ....meaning he was wise, knew about everything, knew about the circle of life.
Is that more understandable?
it was just... brilliant.
you get 'jesus knew all about wood' from 'trees are made of wood'.
other than that 'trees are' sounds vaguely like 'jesus'.
problems trying to see what philosophical discussion could be had from your opening post....adiscussion about the meaning of words seemed more likely.
So rather than just doing puns.
I thought Id provide my 'intresting' supposition. (a suppostion with a strong backup basis....when there is references made to him 'knowing wood from the terebinth to the hyssop' well hyssop is not really something a carpenter would use......yet is very useful, useful plants that were more shrubbish, were often included in tree lore.
and the knowledge of how to use it, to develop. (eygptian might have had a different emphasis) But otherwise middle eastern and european tribes needed to have 'wood technological knowledge and expertise'
coincidence? I think not
selling trinkets in the Lost Vagueness field?
Mrs knees disagrees with me, suggesting that people did not move around that much.
I disagree, the phoeniceans (peoples of the sea) were traders and mercantile in the first place. They certainly took passengers. originally in the middle eastern cities of tyre sidon and acre, they later became better known as carthaginians.
They were the mediterraneans expert seafarers. In the north the predecessors of the norsemen were also making regular travels. Between them the whole of europe could have been gotten to. Of course in the northern mediterranean the romans tended to hold sway.
and to take the atheistic point of view for a moment. He was some sort of social reformer/phsychoanalyst/shamen.....how would he have got that knowledge or viewpoint......well his social and egalitarian ideas might well have been based on having viewed comparitive societies with different rules and sacred practices.
Perhaps being regarded as of a particular 'choseness' within particular ranks of his homeland he might have been presented as a sage/mystic from afar and would have ample opportunity to assimilate and pick up other european mysics knowledge, perhaps he had a gift, perhaps Joseph of A was helping him grow. When He arrived back in his homeland, he might have been very motivated to change the lot of the people in that land, witnessing them being oppressed by Old doctrinal ideas.....he would have been more compassionate because he could see that many ideas of right or wrong were subjective to particular societies.
As a social reformer and physchoanalys he would be able to treat many psychological malaises. As a person who picked up many cultures mystical feats or knowledge, he would have been able to wow the local populace, and possible get more credence/authority for his ideas of social reform and universal brother/sisterhood. He would know about other cultures different tree alphabets.....might have brought back some of their technology/knowledge.....we would know o different sacred mysteries and thius impressed foreign mystics in palestine.
at extreme length. But I really don't think I'm in the mood today. Not yet anyway.
to cleverly turn around your original post and with back up in some of my posts up there ^ somewhere.
'Trees' such as the reed and bramble are not made of wood.
('Trees' as defined in my explanations about jesus and carpentry)
des arbres sont faits de bois
los árboles se hacen de la madera
Baum sein bilden von Holz
de bomen worden gemaakt van hout
albero essere fa legno
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it's just words isn't it
black poplar (?)
wild service tree
to be native british trees
(?) indicate questionability)
but you may be thinking to yourselves.......'hmm I dont know much about naive trees....I wonder why they never taught us about them at school?'
have to have been here for it to be 'native'?
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What! Where's the top of the can?
especially as all the trees had to grow since the last ice age that covered all of britain. Its a tricky subject, thats why I said 'I consider' it is not h=just based on time.
I include Ireland in Britain here as aI am not talking geopolitical but biogeographical.
Elm scots pine yew hazel kind of appeared soonish after the iceage.....t
I have not included trees such as horse chestnut (intorduced (16/17th C?)
I also havnt included the chestnut, althought it has been here for nearly 2000 years....because it is actually documented that the romans 'specifically introduced it here'
It is also unlikely that conkers and chestnts would be carried here by birds......and they had not established themselves here before the continental land bridge dissapeared.......it is true that some other trees would have seed brought here, so I would determine natives to be those that would have naturally spread here and would have flourished here with out aid or favour given deliberately by humans in an organised society. opportunist non native trees that mifht have seed blown here would naturally be copeted a out of breeding or spreading by more vigourous bettter suited natives.
Some natives on the other hand are very rare......like the whittey pear.
It is not fully understood how these sort of trees occur within woodland comprised of mostly other trees.
basically the trees tell me if they are native
Are they Ents? You can tell if they're native from their accents.
I can only speak english so I can only understand the native trees
Wood is made of trees. That's what you wanted me to say, isn't it? ISN'T IT?! God.