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This should be a life-affirming hoot.
t-shirts. is that so wrong?
Both hilarious and deeply upsetting.
it wasnt very good.
This looks better.
I really hope it has some sort of development in it though. Every time theres one of these programs on about racists/sexists/religious fanatics its usually just an hour of "oh my god, i cant believe they think that".
Hopefully they'll have changed their whole belief system by the end of the program.
I won't settle for anything else.
They have some little folk act called Prussian Blue.
Thing is, it's the mother who is the racist. She's driving the whole thing.
Without her they'd just be two little MidWestern girls.
louis theroux did an episode on them years ago. stupid tv twats.
maybe i'll get it off uknova later
the programme seems to be hinting that theyre old enough to start questioning what theyre mums telling them. Could be interesting.
Who was the guy on the phone, why is he in prison and why were they letting him get corky about the nazi twins?
I promise to concentrate from now on if someone tells me.
show sum respect yeah?
srsly man not cool
The guy on the phone is a hero of the white power movement and he's doing 190 years in the pokey for causing some kind of mischief.
I thought it was a nice touch to basically tell the two girls how basically he likes to crack one off over them, over the phone, while their starstruck mother listens on.
You can't put a price on that kind of devotion.
He's dead now.
joanna newsom is listed as a "similar artist". I KNEW SHE WAS EVIL!
So how does he know them? Just through the shared joy of race hate?
And how does he know he likes the girls - he was put in prison before they were born.
Obviously, surely? They're Aryan, they're hand-shandy material.
so he has seen pics?
I just dont understand the relationship between some lunatic guy in prison and this family.
I am missing a link somewhere.
The mother was using him as an example to show they were friends with a mental nazi.
She plays a harp.
A jews harp is also an instrument.
Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
if memory serves.
Probably enough to begin a smear campaign methinks
If you play Ys backwards at half speed it's just her reading Mein kampf.
I'd say that that's perfectly plausible
Ein Clam, Ein Crab, Ein Cockle...
..."the white stripes 1"
i'd hate to be in the room when someone explains to him where blues comes from.
Walking around unsuspectingly with a swastika sign burnt into their skin.
and they seem ok, all things considered.
i was expecting a 'god hates fags' part two, but this is just "yeah, our mom is crazy. fuck that shit." and then examples of the mum being crazy.
i like that this dude is twisting the knife though. so the last five minutes are going to be good. that's all though.
I guess the lesson is: You can make them hate the things you hate. But the effects might not be permanent.
at not one point did the twins agree with anything their mum said.
"these illegal immigrants don't wipe their bumzzz!!!!" or something like that.
what does their mum think?
are "cunts". her own words :(
do they still live at home?
Yes, they still live at home. And they're about to embark on a European tour!
DiS meat up?
me happy that they are so normal given the upbringing they had. Someone said earlier today on DiS that Hitler was just a product of his environment or something, I reckon the fact that they have turned out okay speaks against that. Like some people are good and others are bad and its not all just down to yr environment/ how you're raised. maybe
You are categorically incorrect.
ok then. to be fair, i'm probably misrepresenting your views. I just dislike this denial that there's such a thing as true moral agency, that bad people are just 'insane' or else victims of their environment blah blah blah.
what's the alternative? that people can 'born bad'? Isn't that basically the logic the woman in the programme was using, that black people are genetically predisposed to crime?
that its a complex interplay between genetic predisposition, environmental factors, and (this is the bit I'd seek to emphasise the most) genuine moral choice. Those two girls aren't rabid nazis *inspite* of their upbrining. Why? Cos they seem to have a feeling that nazism is in some sense morally repugnant.
fail to see in any sense how one's moral outlook or beliefs could be in any way be genetically encoded. I'm not sure even the most committed of sociobiologists would argue such a thing.
"Genuine moral choice" - overrated, nay, meaningless concept when talking about determinism.
Determinism and agency are mutually incompatible ways of looking at the question.
They aren't committed Nazis because other influences in their lives convince them that perhaps its not such a great lifestyle choice after all. I.e. the fact that most people hate them.
The genetic point I can take or leave, it's not terribly important to me. I'm enough of a naturalist to believe it plays a role (maybe quite a small one).
And yet, as much as I heart naturalism, I just really can't take determinism seriously as an adequate account of human behaviour. I'm sure environmental factors play a massive role in shaping our character, but I just don't buy that there's no such thing as choosing to do something good (and indeed choosing to do something bad). Maybe I'm to much of a sentimentalist...
anyway, I think this is the really intractable bit, so there's probably no use arguing about it.
I don't ultimately believe in freedom OR determinism. I'm more of a non-linearity/chaos adherent.
I see the ideas of both choice and genetic determinism as purely instrumental fictions. Taking them as fundamental principles is undone by circularity and infinite regress.
You're actually a lyric/songtitle goldmine.
maybe I could just read out my posts on stage
the Mars Volta?
For anyone who wants to learn as they listen.
In what sense is it a 'meaningless' concept, rather than simply an opposing one?
ignore this. debate
it's too late. Another time :)
fail to see how you can't accept the possibility that one's moral outlook or beliefts can be genetically encoded.
Obviously it's multifactorial but genetics provides dispositions towards all dimensions of thought and behaviour (in my view).
sure, they have to live with the burden of their mum being one of america's biggest cunts, but they seem like they've got it sussed.
why anyone would want to visually represent a song's lyrics in their own video is beyond me.
Worked for Dylan...
It must be much worse for them now they've got it sussed.
plus, didn't you hear the grandmother?
in a couple of years, they're off!
That was when they weren't living in a tiny shack in Buttfuck, Nowheresville.
There will be emotional ties forever.
"They used to just be little girls not long ago and... they're reaching that age that well... you know what I mean right? [They're nearly adults? I want to bone them? I'm a terrible terrible pervert!]"
Oh you said GIRLS!
'daughters, women, fantasy sweethearts"
That was creepy!
which were just about relationships and stuff? They should go back to writing about the holocaust.
too many songs about relationships and stuff, not enough about the Killing Fields.
after they leave the house. Emily on guest vocals. Trust me - this shit would sweep the nation!
Probably reiterating some of the above, but:
* Hearing a mother call her daugher a cunt really depressed me
* Some people should not be allowed to breed
* Confused and scared people looking to single out another group of people to blame for the miserable state of the world is dangerous and depressing
I'm finding it a little hard to reconcile your obvious antipathy towards nazis with "some people shouldn't be allowed to breed".
which has just been discussed at length, was on last night.