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boris is cool; but i like ken waay better.
he's amusing and, i presume, actually very clever (he was at oxford, donchoono) but he gives off the image of the bumbling old tory and i can't imagine anyone being able to take him seriously.
does that mean I'm not thick?
you must've slipped through the net.
That was the nail in my coffin.
And I'm from Portsmouth! What's Pompey's beef with Boris?
How many fat people should there be in Portsmouth?
is quite why anyone thinks someone who lives in and represents Henley-on-Thames would know anything about what running a city like London would take.
that's why we want him for mayor! he's bumbling and silly! he could totally run this city! he bumbles!
but "bumbling" and "silly" are such great words. you almost had me convinced!
which makes him well street.
but funny isn't top of my list of priorities for mayor
I like him as a bumbling rugby-tackling Tory buffoon, but the thought of him actually making policy decisions and trying to make a heartfelt speech after some terrorist atrocity scare me.
'And...err...yes. So, the bomb was bad. Naughty foreigners eh! Erm. No need to panic, everyone back to work, I...errr...I think it's all over now. Yes. Very good. Londoners together and all that, eh?'
'enforcing' for england, not in an office.
and actually everyone that votes for him will automatically be exiled from London forever.
like the ones who put jedi on their census form
I'm guilty of doing that (putting Jedi on my Cencus) but I really really don't want that idiot running London. That would NOT be an hilarious riot of giggles. He's a penis.
I'm not being funny, but: Why?
Look, it was 2001, I was a bored student. I got the 'forward to your friends' email saying, "If more than 50,000 people put their religion down as Jedi, the government has to legally acknowledge it as a religion!!!!111! LOLZ" or whatever bollocks it was. I thought, "Yeah that'll show the damn government what I think of their damn survey and them damn religions". And I thought it was hilarious. Sue me.
apart from him apparently not being a very good politician
but I don't want him running the city I live in.
I don't understand why a man who wants to be a politician 'plays up' (as some have said) to being a bumbling idiot anyway.
he's not really a man of the people. I saw Ken at London Zoo once looking at the monkeys, so he clearly is.
I wouldn't vote for him apart from in a best tackle ever in a football match competition.
I will be voting for him because I'm one of those people who can tell the difference between persona and policy.
That Boris Johnson has a ruthless kind of intelligence is evident to anyone who actually listened to the things he says - sans the "er" and "gosh" and "cripes".
however, he's a tory and will have horrible policies aimed at increasing social inequality. That is mainly why I don;t want him to be mayor.
utopia that is modern Britain after 10 years of Neu Arbeit rule, then?
Bigger gulf between rich and poor than ever before, housing unaffordable for vast swathes of the population and social mobility the worst in any developed country!
Up the workers, hey?
that means HE CANNOT tell the difference between persona and policy.
wait...ive made THAT mistake again havent i?
but Ken Livingstone is an uber-cunt who likens Jewish journalists to Nazi concentration camp guards and doesn't fucking apologise for it, and hangs out with the likes of Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who thinks that suicide attacks on Isreali civilians are A-ok.
But the truth is, anyone who makes the tube and buses cheaper has my vote.
Red Ken: Racist.
Also, if you want cheaper buses/tubes, don't vote for Ken.
I dont think Ken Livingstone is racist, I think he made a clearly inappropriate comment, but was too arrogant to apologise for it. As for his support for al-Qaradawi, again I don't think thats evidence of anti-semitism, it's part of a lamentable trend on the left towards supporting anyone who opposes the US/Isreal, even if those people hold deeply anti-left views. This is the kind of thing Nick Cohen has been banging on about for a while now. Whilst I consider my self to be left-wing, the state of the left right now depresses me deeply.
he supports some elements of 'militant' Islam.
He is a clueless cunt and is only in power due to:
1). The fact that people saw him as an anti-Blair protest vote back before he was welcomed back into the Neue Arbeit fold.
2). The other runners in the Mayoral race for even more LOLworthy than him.
3). GLC* nostalgia.
*Not Goldie Lookin Chain
a rare, yet important voice round these parts, Alex.
labour/conservative split, is stupid, and will only further the stagnation of politics in this country.
It is a Labour/Conservative split. You've made what you believe to be a very clever, insightful statement with absolutely no attempt to explain the reasoning behind it. Sit down please.
all you give is soundbites and very rarely back up anything you have to say
you've said this quite a lot. The thing is, i haven't really seen anything to back it up. Some evidence would be lovely.
then walk away from them without adding any evidence to back these up
Shame your Billy Britain racist new friend turned out to be ghoul, eh ;)
ask again. I would like a link to a thread where i have 'dropped a one liner' and then disappeared.
i dont need to explain it. Thinking that either voting for one or the other is the only way your vote will count is like stirring dirty water in a dish to clean it.
I'm going to out myself as actually quite liking boris. Yeah, loving boris is zany and wacky and studenty and whatnot, but there are very few politicians who would say things like this:
"I am supporting David Cameron purely out of cynical self-interest"
"Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and increase your chances of owning a BMW M3"
Like, OMG totally lulz...
he's fucking useless?
Check out my biting satire, I should be on bremner bird and fortune or something.
BOOOO, bLIAR etc....
that's all he's done in six years. good work!
any day of the week. He's far more likeable and thats how you get my vote!
Rather than just being sarcastic and unconstructive, defend Ken's record.
so long as it is not in the city that you live in
home town, but i reckon he should have a chance haha
people would ACTUALLY consider voting for Boris Johnson?
Who's next - Jeremy Beadle? Christopher Biggins? A four year old's drawing of a horse?
but then again people are considering voting Conservative in the next election arent they!
ACTUALLY conside voting for Boris Johnson. Nothing wrong with that. He's a very clever man.
i'd like you to back that up please.
I mean my previous statement kind of indicates my feelings on the subject.
How can you "back that up"? I have not ever seen any evidence to convince me that Boris Johnson is anything other than a shambling buffoon.
I could repeat it over and over so it forms a big block of text?
being a buffoon then?
But he gives the impression that he isn't. And that's great on telly, or in a Panto, but it's not so great when you're trying to create the image that you're in charge of one of the biggest and best cities in the world.
his manner has got me people involved in the political process than would have otherwise. He's a populist (if not necessarily popular) MP, and this can only ever be a good thing. The people that have no interest in politics, begin to show an interest, and those that already interested can see the diffrence between his public face and not so public intellect. Basically, everyone's a winner.
That I think I remember you saying that you work in politics absolutely terrifies me.
and getting things done, rather than flattering to deceive?
Ken Livingstone - also an idiot. The vast majority of politicians - idiots.
All the people who would make the decent politicians stay the fuck away or end up leaving because they realise they couldn't make the kinds of compromise you have to make to work with...idiots.
I wouldn't call Ken Livingstone an idiot, as much as I don't like him. You've mad a lovely statemnt, but simply have nothing to back it up. When you want to have a grown up discussion rather than just throwing insults like you're in a school playground, do come back.
He's not throwing around insults like a school playground. If he called you a cunt, then he would be.
And you still haven't provided concrete evidence that Boris Johnson is an intelligent man, and not just a waste of mayo.
'The vast majority of politicians - idiots'
Sounds like an unecessary insult without any basis in reality to me.
He hasn't called you an idiot yet, for which I commend his restraint. Isn't calling all politicians idiots a legitimate expression of beliefs? Freedom of etc like you're always saying?
And I'm still waiting to see evidence of BJ's towering intellect.
he must be kleva
was president of the Oxford Union, I imagine that requires a degree of intelligence.
"Intelligence," not "extra-curricular activities."
It's a nobs' popularity contest to see who gets to "lead" an odious social club. Intelligence hardly comes into it.
who even runs for the standing committee from the category of 'intelligence'.
have you ever been to the Oxford Union?
referring to calling MPs idiots, rather than talking about me. He's free to say what he likes, but that doesn't make it right.
In that case, I don't understand what your point is. It's his word against yours. For all of your posturing on encouraging political debate, I have never seen you debating - only telling people they are wrong, asking for evidence, and encouraging ridiculously reactionary viewpoints from 18 year olds.
This seems to be all you ever say
GG: [insert right wing conservative opinion here]
Other Person: I don't think that's true because of xyz
GG: When you want to have a grown up discussion rather than just throwing insults like you're in a school playground, do come back.
You seem to have an interest in politics, but I so far haven't seen you make a coherent point about politics, aside from being a populist MP is a good thing, which I find strangely baffling.
don't think I've ever witnessed on this forum such a gaping void between apparent confidence with which statements are made and the utter ludicrousness, anachronism and vacuity of their content as I have with yours.
Unfortunately I have had enough arguments with people at the opposite end of the political spectrum to realise that we will always be arguing past each other and from different premises, and will necessarily go round in circles. The most I can hope for is that you will either:
a.) realise in time that there is a reason that the majority of young, intelligent people in this counry want nothing to do with such a pointless spent political force as 'conservatism'
b.) have some kind of independent epiphany
c.) go away
This is what will happen:
d) You will both grow older and swing to the right. And then end your days in The Ivy talking of the glory days of Blair and Mandleson.
Since when have the majority of young intelligent people in this country ever wanted anything to do with conservatism?
the fact that the majority of young intelligent people in this country don't want anything to do with conservatism hardly demonstrates its a "spent political force"
i know plenty of people that seem to hold conservative views. There was a girl in my history class that was near on BNP. Admittedly there is some truth in that people become more conservative in their views as they age, but i dont think its anywhere a uniform thing.
i asked people who they would vote for, one who is probably as intelligent as me i.e. expecting A's at A level said he would vote for conservative. The one whos nearly BNP isnt stupid either. I guess it depeneds on how you measure intelligence?
is such a slippery notion anyway, but if by conservatism you mean support for limited government, low taxes, free market, I know plenty of intelligent and articulate young people who are conservative. Also, I'd argue that there is a resurgent religious conservatism amoung young people today....
the first point was not intended to provide evidence for the second
what *is* your evidence for that assertion?
I have people that know and like me to back me up. I could just walk away now knowing I've won.
Aren't I horrendous?
*gets cock out*
a spent political force, whether you agree with it or not. In fact, I'd argue that the defining political struggle of our age, the "War on terror" can be viewed as the struggle between two brands of conservatism...ie. the religious ultra-conservatives of al-Qaeda and the neo-conservatives of the Bush administration. Hardly a spent political force...
please put your cock away. kthxbye
If attempting a serious answer - it was a rhetorical device. If enough people in positions of authority say something such as "Conservatism is a spent political force", it will eventually die.
no it won't
That's enough for now.
this happened in the House of Commons? An MP said 'oh, i don't need to back this up, my friends all know i'm right'. This is why you will never be a man of great importance.
I'm trying to distract you so you are busy posting while the Tory party falls into ruin.
I would seriously contest the fact the majority of young intelligent people want nothing to do with conservatism. There's a reason why young people don't run the country, they are both naive and inexperienced.
experience is important to a certain extent yeah, but i dont see how being cynical is more desireable than actually beleiving you will be able to do something.
naive belief is cut down by reality. Reality is the mother of us all.
look at me being hypocritical!
ineffective people who just accept e.g. yeah the health service is up shit creek but im not gonna do anything about it because im not naive enough to try?
is not being cynical. There is clearly a difference. You are using them interchangably.
There a number of young intelligent people that support conservatism, I know this as I work with them. Do you have any proof to say the opposite? No.
In that sense it's pretty much my word against yours.
Welcome to 'Arguments'. Population: 2.
that's rather funny! I must say, I don't actually come here for 'real' political debate. It's more for fun. I think we would ALL admit that what goes on here is largely irrelevant mud-slinging. It makes little to no difference what gets said on here.
Idealism by its very nature looks at things how they 'should' be, rahter than how they are.
i.e. things should be like this, lets make it happen.
David Cameron's plan for a new politics - let's just describe everything. A perfect map of the world! Unified field theory! I've got all your genomes and you're not having them back!
i cant stand cameron. But i feel that idealism that is backed up with policy, and not being a twat is a good thing.
I couldn't agree more
you have to use the word twat? It makes people take you less seriously.
can accurately be described as a twat.
think that using language like that completely undermines any argument you might have though?
down the well
you are simultaneously taking a pro-BNP stance. They are also idealists, but there's a very good reason why idealists rarely have tangible power.
you are just being ridiculous now.
"because you're not a Communist, in a way, you're actually a Nazi"
it was argued that Idealism is a good thing. In this sense, the existance of the BNP is a good thing. It's logic.
i think being idealisitic is a good thing, that doesnt mean i agree with all idealism.
the BNP are idealistic, being idealistic is a good thing?
is largely impractical.
I have heard for a very long time.
I don't think I need to explain why. The decorative finials on this post will catch people's eye and they can just come and snigger.
so idealism is ok, but only if it agrees with your belief system. Now I get it.
(don't worry I'm from Irish parents, he's actually 27) introduced Ken Livingstone to the Labour party when he was working as his apprentice. True fact!
I don't want Boris as mayor, as I feel he would not project a good image of the city, he has no experience of managing anything on a large scale, and most pertinently for me as a Londoner of all 23 years of my life, he's not from London, which I feel should be a key issue, as how can he really understand the city and it's nuances.
I don't like Ken in respect that he broke his word about standing, but he has done a good job and so he ahs my support.
In terms of the tube, it's nigh on 100 years old, and underfunded for the better part of 40. Our options are a)higher fares b)higher taxes or c) it falls apart because everyone was too tight arse to pay for what needs to be done. The modernaztion programme for the tube is in full flow, and needs to be completed and ergo I am very suspicious of anyone who talks of cutting fares.
then get rid of him
I like this idea