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its getting on my nerves.
Or are they buzzwords?
Anyway, reduce y'all!
Good thread by the way!
i've been trying to keep up with yours
No, even though its a silly buzzword, its good to have a general easy to remember term to define each persons contribution to the environmental problems we've created
also misuse of a word totally changes its meaning to most and that is what matters most.
I'm not sure what you mean
help change direction of what was damaging.......to be met with endemic systematic and cultural resistance.......therefore I can report to you honestly that it is not 'each person' that has created the problem....it is the forces that defend and keep to the course that is causing the problems. How can wanting more of things be comesurate with global enviromental concerns.....the 'carbon footprints' have well and truely been sequested by the consumerist capitalist system.
Humans are given no real viable option ot help to live in ways THEY think are more simple and freindly........everything in society is geared to 'being better' getting a 'bigger slice of the cake' etc
people dont care about their "footprint", its just very fashionable to say so at the mo, which is pissing me off a lot
if people are doing stuff that helps the envoironment that must be a good thing?
but unfortunately the continuous ramming of it down the throat causes apathy/rebellion
do not decide they want to have a big motor car and drive on a tarmaced road, or have a square house built of bricks living in a city, and work in an office.........They are persuaded and coerced to by 'peer pressure'
If some chose to drop out they are seen as drop outs and workshy and criminals.
If they half drop out.....dont share the dream but continue with the grind that everyone else has to, but try to alert everyone to the fact that we get waht we're told we want not what we really want, then they are 'warned and threatened'
If they try to live alternatively but 'bizarrely yet still 'working' and therefore legit, the n local government (or central) will put as many obsticals in their way as possible.
They will seek to make an example of these individuals to ensure that not everybody tries to do 'their own thing'
Ultimately......if you tried to be a pure human animal roaming the land and trying to forage ,then the authorities will try their utmost to prevent you.
SO dont blame climate change on individual humans....that is wrong and unethical and causes some people to go down the stupid logical path of concluding that humans are evil or a parasite.........this is wrong, we are humans and we are made to operate within a system that has inhuman values.
applies anymore now that everyone is aware of environmental issues, ie, people are not seen as 'weirdos' for not conforming
usually your long-winded points are interesting and valid. but that is mostly nonsense.
i dont think anyone here (or in any environmental group) is suggesting we all should roam the land foraging. just that we should be more careful and considerate with regards to the environment, and do our best to minimise the damage we may be doing to it.
I was trying to say was to counter the comment in grockles post about 'each persons contribution to environmental problems'
I was not suggesting everyone roam the land, (too many of us for that) I was saying that even if humans tried to be that natural then they would not be allowed to.
My point was that it is not each persons fault.....we did not chose our lifestyles, they were shaped by forces that we cannot individually control.......therefore carbon footprint blame or responsibility cannot be apportioned at individual level, but at shaping force level.....i.e. not at you or I......instead we should measure the 'food miles' of a short sighted policy that say.......sends ready cooked hospital food on many miles in lorries before arriving in hospital......instead grants/planning permission/rates/taxation levels should be viewed when it comes to considering high street local one store food stores cw out of town superstores which require civic infrastructure change and therefore are given (as a favour...a boon...it is not a right of tescos et al) planning permission....govern at the right level and the forces that shape our profligate lives will change making it easier for all to change
while it is maybe not our 'fault', we can each individually do things to alter the situation for the better. ie use the bus intsead of car, or bicycle instead of bus etc, and insulate our houses better, and support renewable enrgy sources by getting your electricity from companies using 'green' sources, or better yet do it yourself.
so while we aren't to blame for the situation, ew do all, as individuals, make a contribution - and we should, as individuals, try to reduce that contribution for the benefit of all.
language right....otherwise the mental image will be constructed of individuals being imorral and responsible, and we will not hold the institutions and business to account, this language is likely to let governments off the hook. Like charity allows us to scratch the itch of inequality and unfairness, when in fact a fairer system would be better.
You may think im being overly fussy about the semantics of slogans and phrases here, but really this could be the beginning of a new form of guilt that individuals will be opressed with, by systems that are far more 'guilty'......much as church managed to make everyone try to feel guilty about se*
oh yes, I'm with you on the stuff about being coerced into doing stuff by society, but surely ANYTHING that starts people thinking about the environment is good...
Personally I'd like 95% of the population to go blind from looking at meteorites, and then get eaten by giant plants, whilst I heroically plough up and down the country in my solar powered lorry, repopulating and saving all the records and guitars for the future generations of little grockles
but anything that gets people thinking about environmental issues = a good thing, surely?
"hey bank with us, we're so green??!!!"
and fucking BP have adverts saying how environmentally friendly they are!
green beans from kenya...in supermarkets.......we could immediately affect the amount of food air miles........by governments doing something sensible, that levels the field and has long been an anomoly........tax aviation fuel......this has always been a glaring anomoly making air transportation look artificially cheaper than other transport......it will not go anywhere near far enough..........BUT IT IS THIS LACK OF POLITICAL WILL.......(OK Blair is onside for this one) BY GOVERNMENTS THAT WILL OTHERWISE BE PUTTING UNEVEN ONUS'S on individuals......WHY? because they can always blame other governments refusal to all act simultaneously....all in or all out kind of thind........imagine if all individuals acted like that......"well Im not going to recycle until every other single person agrees to too"
Put pressure on governments and your mps to press harder. (I believe the UK is one of the few governments that has tried to introduce aviation fuel tax.....doesnt mean they're blameless elsewhere)
check it out for yourself...
I dont know why you would be so trusting of governemnts who for years have strenuously denied something that was so obviously in their face that they knew damn well it was happening yet chose '''DELIBERATELY to lie to you all.......surely you should doubt and question any such movements/initiatives thet now initiate,,,,,ask yourself what the ulterior motives are.......(dont get me wrong what they will ask you to do will not be wrong....per se.....like charity isnt bad) BUT the important thing is 'WHAT IS IT DRAWING ATTENTION AWAY FROM?'
for instance because of putting of renewable energy research for so long (deliberately) and putting off conserving oil supplies (culpably)
and denying global warming for so long, governments can now present the nuclear power option as the only time effective alternative (this is only an example kind of question that will never ever be put to anyone accountable)