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And can say the word without vomming?
I'm a donations support officer and proud.
You have to be 40+. Until then you're just 'in a band'.
but in terms of the "so what do you do?" question at parties etc. I find the "I perform with a band" answer a much more relevant and appropriate respose than explaining my dull day job that I only do for the money.
Was how a former housemate introduced himself at the "getting to know each other bbq".
maybe that's what he sees as the most important part of who he is. So why shouldn't he introduce himself with those words? (so long as he's aware he's likely to get "riiiiight" as a response!)
I was being a little insensitive.
It was the way he said it more than anything. After we'd been regaling each other with tales of crap jobs, he just blurted it out with the disdain that brian Sewell might reserve for a Damian Hirst framed dogshit.
Last I heard he was working at Argos.
he writes haiku with the little pens?
Wait for your number
Despair falls upon us all;
Batteries not included
7 (or 6 if you say batt-rees instead of batter-ees)
failed haiku. go to jail. do not pass go. do not become a famous poet.
5-7-5 is it? I spent at least 30 seconds on it as well. GCSE English Lit has never seemed so far away :(
Behold; small blue pen
Enter catalogue number
I just assumed you'd said "so what do you do then?" or similar.
It is difficult when you're in a band or you're a writer or poet or anything like that 'cos as soon as you tell anyone that, it's 99% certain the other person will think "yeah, right, another one. Bet they're actually rubbish" (which is exactly what I tend to think when someone tells me they're a writer or musician).
I think there should be a secret code word you can use if you're actually good at it...
i suggest 'wolfgang'.
But I don't know it.
I guess if you are in a proper band and a shit job its a tough word to avoid, but "being in a band", or "playing guitar" I'd imagine covers it.
and I don't really see myself as a musician anyway. I only play the guitar during solo gigs and it's definitely not a strength of mine.
But "singer-songwriter" sounds even worse!
'i'm a musician with a day job' is my stock response.
although 'songwriter' is probably a better word, that implies someone who writes stuff for other people. and 'singer-songwriter' implies someone who cries bad poetry into a guitar and wets the bed if a girl touches him.
and I don't really want anyone to know I wet the bed if a girl touches me.
I think I'm a musician. I've done the odd session, and don't have a day job. This doesn't make me feel nauseous
I can play guitar and make crap songs on my computer at weekends, but im hoping to start doing it seriously at some point.. I used to be in a band but it was very much a "my first band" affair.
It would be my ideal job though: to be paid for making music.
you look like Jas Mann?
I mainly dont call myself a musician becuase i am a miffling, untalented, guitar/drum spanker with no skill, no theory behind it, and no actual ability beyond being keen. And I do it as a hobby.
Just curious to see where people draw the line between who is and who isnt.
if you make your living out of music then you're a musician. Until then it is a hobby. I play football at the weekends. Doesn't make me a footballer.
unless they do so professionally?
well you two are slightly different in that you do lots of gigs and presumably make some money out of it. I fart about and can't really play anything very well, so I wouldn't say I was a musician.
You would win on the "who is a musician most of all" contest because you can make your bass sound like a robot talking.
Wins every prize, every time.
A musician is a professional distinction from, like you say, twatting about.
i'd say there are degrees.
learning to play an instrument
performing for people
getting paid to perform for people
recording your own material
all these count as being a musician but after a certain point you can call yourself a 'professional musician'.
some people call themselves 'semi-professional' which, to me, means you do stuff like making money from touring/gigging and releasing records but don't make enough to live off it.
I've a habit of preferring to do gigs with promoters who have no money :(
It's easy to forget how many bands that actually release stuff on labels and tour and stuff actually still have day jobs. But you'd still call them musicians.
until you do it semi-seriously
playing football is a game. some people do it for a living but they're still just playing a game.
if you make music then you're a musician. it's more valid to call yourself that if you play gigs, release records etc etc, than if you just strum yr guitar in your room on yr own, but you're still 'a musician' either way, just not a professional one.
if you quit your job and sign on and your only source of income is music but you make fuck all out of it are you more of a musician than someone who works in a shop as well?
and I would come under the 'playing in your room' bracket but would never say I was a musician as such.
does that count?
Are you tortured as well?
I used to be grade 4 on the piano, but can't play it for shit these days. Was I more of a musician then?
i'll bear that in mind re: future band activity.
'but can't play for shit these days' bit, yeah?
if there's one thing i think power up! needs, it's more complex guitar shredding.
but i am only ever average at best at music in general.
for myself, but it keeps me happy. one day i might record it and make it sound even worse
I work for a law firm checking (and occasionally negotiating) contracts between artists and labels/promoters etc
I used to do the same job for a major and I can tell you that, in my experience, the industry doesn't consider anyone a musician who hasn't had 3 top ten records
The industry actually considers 'musicians' in the same way a farmer might consider chickens or potatoes
you wouldn't believe what a difficult time I was having trying to explain to my 'superiors' that drawing up mutually beneficial contracts balancing the needs of the artist with the needs of the label was the best way to ensure a positive return on investment
they preferred the approach whereby the one contract in 100 that hit paydirt would offset the others that made a loss
they certainly didn't seem to understand the level of emotional investment that artists put into their craft (some of them anyway)
I make the music of love
And I can make the noise of a modem connecting to the internet by rubbing my wing-cases together.
So in summary: Shit, I left the gas on.
a musician because he didn't feel like one. He used to put 'Entertainer' when filling out the occupation box on forms
*hides it under the carpet and pretends to have said 'no'*