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for calling charley a n*****!
where do they find all these racists from?!
there's plenty of them to choose from
over the word 'numpty'. bloody hell.
I'm gonna miss that big racist bum of hers.
Is this a joke?
"this kind of offensive behaviour will not be tolerated.......again"
do you reckon she used it in an innofensive manner or what?
and I ain't Ice Cube
But I had to take a brother out for being rude.
I bet if you were a WASP in the southern states who found himself surrounded by some black guys you regularly thought of as niggers, and they had the temerity to call you a honky derisively, you'd probably be insulted. Then hopefully you'd be dead, but that's a different matter.
regardless of the history
"King of France" 'til not that long ago.
one group of people or an individual can't justify their own racism by referring to the history and oppression of their own race.
but it's quite sly of you to change the circumstances of the issue being discussed. I don't agree with what you said about "a palestinian" and "a german", but you're trying to paint me in an unflattering light by adding more emotional connotations to the argument by now making them "a palestinian woman whose house has been blown up" and "a nazi concentration camp guard". Obviously in those specific situations there would be sympathy for the woman, and none for the guard, but that is an entirely different situation.
you can't be only a little bit racist, you either are or you aren't.
Racism isn't conditional.
I wouldn't use honky any more than I'd use nigger.
I tend to assume that most people do.
Unless she was singina long to Jay Z
fantastic, just fantastic.
EXACTLY what would happen in reality, out on the streets. Reality TV is so real.
constantly making underrated posts since I've been here.
now we have nu-racism
and its sub genres nu-bigotry and nu-toryism
This might be the end of BB...they were on the edge already after that Shilpa rubbish
She needed to be more creative
Why? Isn't it obvious that an incredibly stupid thing to do publically that's just gonna get you kicked out and make everyone hate you?
Pathetic as it might think it, I do understand that some people are racist and ignorant. I really don't understand someone being that blatant about it and failing to see the obvious consequences.
but the point remains:
Even if you were a racist, you probably know it's not socially acceptable. Even the BNP don't admit to being racist. Why would you reveal your racism to the entire nation in that manner?
to forget where you are. We see it as TV, as we only see an hour a day. They just get used to being in that situation, and it won't seem like a big national TV thingy.
I mean it makes more sense now I know the context
My initial assumption was that she'd actually been arguing with Charley at the time. Given it was used in a slang kind of way, where she probably didn't mean to be offensive, I can see how she might have done it.
no mention of her reaction...
i.e. whether the person was actually offended.
well, she didn't say it on a grampian tv-specific programme...
but everywhere else TV stations are localised.
THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, MAAAN.
There's plenty of localised TV in this country.
She seems the type actually.
and she said "ooh, are you sticking it out you n*****"
The other girl wasn't offended, but y'know, it's got connotations and all that sorta thing.
ew. no fanx.
her lovely lady lumps.
This makes me incredibly happy.
i saw that in the paper too. It said springwatch on BBC2 was getting more viewers than BB on E4, that's hardly suprising is it considering the difference in the number of people that have access to those channels.
You lazy bluetit fuck??
Racism in springwatch is here!!
Hmmm not as funny as I first thought :(
Don't be downhearted!
must try harder
beast was really funny.
i stick my beast out
can't you just read it out loud?
stick out the beast . . . .
by Bill Oddie.
Contestant Emily Parr has been removed from the Big Brother house for using a racially offensive word to housemate Charley.
Parr used the word "nigger" while dancing with her housemate in the living room.
Channel 4 said she was heard to say "Are you pushing it out you nigger?"
The news follows the controversial Celebrity Big Brother race row involving Jade Goody, Danielle Lloyd, Jo O'Meara and Shilpa Shetty.
I'm so not down with the kids these days.
but using a racial slur in a non-racist manner or something
Yorkshire accent possibly not actors own.
well i suppose if Big Brother had done nothing about it, then there would have been WAY more uproar about it all.
Anyway - Springwatch rules.. even if Bill Oddie is somewhat 'eccentric'.
More people watched Springwatch than the E4 show on at the same time, which isn't that surprising giving only one is on terrestrial TV.
is in any way realistic.
She was an awful big-head but this was unexpected.
Wouldn't stand for this shit.
the Daily Mail's society column in no time.
The Daily Telegraph's court circular <3
I mean, look at what Jackie had to resort to, fending off the black guys with a snooker cue. Its no laughing matter, she needs to watch more films.
it was while they were dancing and emily said something like 'are you pushing it out nigga?' such a moronic thing to say.
with an a like that isn't racist
not that I would have said that
It's actually my family motto, and is displayed on the banner below my family crest.
some of your mother's views I wouldn't be surprised
a white sheet and hood with 2 eye holes cut into it
"can ya lend a nigga a pencil?"
by the way, it's her bum.
JD in scrubs has been known to use the word many a time, to hilarious consequences due to him being a skinny white boy. Skinny white boys trying to imitate black culture - Fried Gold
Further Info - Ali G (circa 11'oclock ho)
Some posh kid using it as slang whilst bumping and grinding, hilarious.
she knew what she was doing, she may act like a stupid little girl but she's not a complete moron?
Well not irritating, because I love Shabs and now she'll be staying for at least another week YAY, but irritating because people are stupid. People are stupid because they shouldn't be offended by this shit and complain about it. Well maybe they should be offended, but they shouldn't complain. It's not scripted - it's people interacting as they would in real life. The whole point of it is for it to be uncensored.
Complaining about Channel 4 because of it is like saying "Excuse me, but I have a complaint to make - some people are racist". I'm talking more about the Shilpa Shetty incident than this one, but it's obvious that the aforementioned is the reason Channel 4 have acted now. I hate people.
then Ofcom will killer them though :(
6 million people sit down every night waiting for something controversial to happen, and then go crazy when, as expected, it does...
or perhaps i'm misjudging the British public and they all love nice, clean, wholesome reality fun.
I can't blame Channel 4 for the action they've taken now, but there's no way they should have been forced into it.
she was stupid to do it but she is stupid.
Wouldnt it be better to leave her in, punish her, and educate her as to why it is wrong?
Throwing her out does seem a bit harsh, its not like you can moan about it.
Anyone see the "nigga guy" episode of South Park?
Emily: (referring to Charley dancing/pushing her hips forward) You pushing it out you nigger.
Nicky: (shocked laughter) Em, I can't believe you said that.
Charley: You are in trouble.
Emily: Don't make a big thing out of it then. I was joking.
Charley: I know you were? but that's some serious s**t, sorry.
Charley: Oh my god. I'm not even saying it.
Nicky: Just don't talk about it anymore.
Emily: I was joking
Charley: Do you know how many viewers would watch that?
Nicky: Okay, don't make a big deal out of it.
Charley: Fancy you saying that. I can't believe you said that.
Emily: Somebody has already used that word in this house.
Charley: No way. (Pause) Yeah, me. I'm a nigger.
Charley: I am one. Fancy you saying it. I know maybe you see it in a rap song. Maybe you and your friends sit there saying it.
Emily: I'm friendly with plenty of black people.
Nicky: And you call them niggers?
Emily: Yeah and they call me niggers. They call me wiggers as well.
Nicky: I'm quite shocked.
Charley: I'm f*****g in shock.
Emily: It's not a big deal though is it?
but leave the "nigger" in there.
where did you find this?
makes me cringe.
you may as well say "I'm not racist but...."
Are they all 84 year old Grandmas in that house? Oooh, fancy that! I've knitted you a lovely doily, my nigger.
is seems that Nicky was trying to get everyone to stop mentioning it so that there'd be no punishment, but Emily kept on opening her BIG FAT SELF-IMPORTANT MOUTH. Amazing.
Used racist name but only joking
Then again I don't believe she's racist at all just an idiot. Shame on those of you who said she was hott.
but only when she doesn't talk
someone kill me please? :(
Just a secret racist.
because he offends my eyes.
Like an Office moment
if I found out someone hot used that terminology against anyone i'd have to say they were vile. Nowadays if someone is physically attractive we can forgive them anything. Bets on the anti-christ being hot?????
1. She is hott.
2. No-one know about her secret racist tendencies before this.
3. That's all I have.
I have heard rappers use the word so in my knowledge the rules are it is ok for black people to use the word nigger but not right for white people.
Is this racial segregation? Its something one race are allowed to do but another race isnt?
Does this lead to less integration between race's due there being a language embargo, words are allowed to exit one race's mouths but not anothers? One race is allowed to use it internally and externall but the other races are only allowed to hear it and not allowed to speak it?
stop pondering whether or not white people should feel hard done by and just refrain from using the word. It's not exactly a good word, is it? Doesn't really some up in conversation much. It's not like trying to speak without saying "the".
why is it ok for one race to use it and all others get chastised for using it.
surely its all or nothing in these days of equality?
Does its existence not lead to an issue with double standards
this aint a poor little white boy thing, its just with all the things you can and can't say, why have words segregated by race. with equality it should negate the need for this word
End of debate.
was what you meant to say, surely?
why do you wnat to use the word? Logically you should be saying why does anyone use a word with the connotations it does have. Rappers are talking shit when they say they're reclaiming it.
no one should use the word, i know its connotations, which is why i cannot understand how it is ok for one race to keep using the term.
rappers havent taken anything back, they have added to the confusion and blurring of vocabulary boundaries, opening a pandora's box of issues
i am not argueing to say that everyone should be allowed to use the word, but that NO ONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE IT. RACE SHOULDNT COME INTO IT. END OF
It's not 'alright' for them to use it, though. I'm sure you'll find there are plenty of black people who find it offensive and counter-productive (precisely because this sort of discussion is born) that a section of black society feel okay using that word.
...Keith isn't necessarily saying he feels white people should be able to use it; his post could equally be interpeted as saying "why should anyone use it?"
My own view is that it's silly for anyone to use the word in the first place given it's historical connotation, and that - as you say - it's naive of rappers to try to 'reclaim' it.
Equally I think it's pretty naive to expect, given the fact that we live in an integrated society, that no white people will use the word if they have black friends who they see using it.
So Keith is right that there is a paradox and a problem in having a word which is acceptable if used by some people and offensive if used by others. And, within that context, this kind of situation's pretty inevitable really.
thats pretty much my case and point.
how i wish i was as articulate as you
defined by rappers?
I was just replying to you.
So you're perhaps the one who should answer that question.
...it was Keith who brought it up. Sorry!
But it's quite possibly true that most white people are aware of the attempted 'reclaimation' of the word (and inclined to use it) due to listening to hip-hop.
do not use the word and you'll find many who do not like it, don't think it can be reclaimed and would like to see the word go into extinction. What i'm saying is that rappers are a tiny section of the black community largely based in the US. There is no excuse to use the word in England anyway AND apart from rappers which black people do any of you know that say the word to each other? Most of you don't know people from minorities anyway.
dictates peoples vocabulary.
If i watch films, TV, listen to Hip Hop and Rap, i am bombarded with the N word. Christ, even South Park breached the subject in an episode called "That Nigger Guy".
In my eyes media in many of its forms gives me and others ample opportunity to hear black people using the word nigger. Shit, they even get laughs out of the awkwardness and "hot" subject in scrubs, as i posted earlier (JD calling Turk "My Nigga")
Its not about the majority, its the minority. Just like the majority of black community dont use it, the same is with the white community. What needs to happen is EVERYONE to stop using it and people to stop paying for films and buying the music.
Christ, anything that stops JA Rule from making music is an AMAZING thing
(one of hi tracks 100% starts with him shouting NIGGERS. Face
what does he shout that for? lunatic.
the word shouldn't be used by anyone. I didn't say it was ok for rappers ot use it. It's dumb but it's Americans who use it so why are we debating it? As to Emily she's just a silly little girl that spotty virgin boys feel the need to protect because she's 'hot'
i bet you know alot of sarky people though
you cannot have double standards, thats what i have been asking
emily uses word - booted out
charley uses word - stays in house
You cannot have double standards, what is ok for one person to say should be good for another person, regardless of age, sex, race, nationality and religion.
In that sense, as i have previously stated, the word should not be used at all and if you are going to kick one person out for using it, you should transfer those rules to everyone else
I don't think this kind of dialectical positivism shiz has really been borne out by history. There are so many people more different interest groups to offend nowadays. People seem to agree less, rather than more.
I once killer a liberalism.
with your talk of free speech. I say no to censorship, but yes to censure. Shit that's practically an aphorism.
not to be confused with that Muslim festival where they celebrate the prophetic revelations of the England fly-half
one could argue both used it in the same way. Neither was trying to be offensive or shocking.
Still, Emily: what a stupid cock.
did Charley say then?
am i getting kicked out too?
depend on whether Charley thought Emily meant to cause offence to her?
Can Charley think?
emily CALLED her a nigger, charley just said it.
Otherwise it's just like Nathan Barley and you look a twunt.
Even Eminem doesn't say 'my niggaz'. Because he knows it would cause aggro.
On another point, I've never been remotely offended by the term 'honky' - because it is a silly word with no historical connotations. I ain't never been oppressed.
you can kiss her ass goodbye.
has that been posted here
anyone got Chanelle's ass to post?
I didn't even know it was an all female house until now.
Anyway, it's very fucking silly, but creates talking points such as this which'll make people tune in tonight. Which is what Channel 4 want, obv.
has she taken indie music credibility with her?
the new 1998.
Because she has lots of black mates and so she's cool, and she's so cool she can call them nigger.
A big dumb tory idiot.
ever having black friends.
But she probably wants to have because, being an idiot, she thinks it will mean she is cooler
a fair bit to be honest.
Is the link to Bayes' Theory meant to suggest that this is what you'd expect from a Tory in the first place?
it's supposed to suggest that Toryism is something you'd expect from a racist
What is Big Brother doing to the UK's reputation abroad? This is just embarrassing.
we ARE pretty racist in Bristol.
We had the slave trade and have always been SECRETLY annoyed that William Wilberforce took it away.
So we have to be Racist in creative ways i.e. in front of Millions of people.
with any use of this word the things that matter are the intent and the effect. From the looks of things Emily's intent was devoid of malice or negativity, and the effect on Charley is debateable but looks to be one of recognition of the possible outside reaction without any personal offence taken. Now you could claim that if it offends anyone watching then that counts just as much as Charley's reaction, but i don't fully subscribe to that school of thought
What is clear though is that her removal is a massive reactionary ploy by Channel 4 to cover their own back. And what is even clearer is that Emily is a complete retard for thinking she could escape completely unscathed
As you were...
what smezzer said, not TheoGB. Even though it was funny.
Voting Tory does not automatically make you "a racist". As much as I would never do such a thing, I find it very childish to claim anything along those lines.
are our govenment racists?
but being racist does usually correlate with voting tory.
would correlate with voting BNP.
this is hilarious, for minutes. channel four viewing figures will be through the roof tonight. haha!
she shouldn't have said it - whatever your opinions on the word, reclaimed, popular culture, whatever.
i mean, chances are quite high that someone before has said that in the BB house, it just hasn't been directly after channel4 has been forced to apologise for a previous 'race row' on the show. so, emily is an idiot, unfortunate timing.
= more indie than anyone here.
that dani girl has been on the front page of the daily star literally every day since she became a racist.
they are the most consistently misused words in the English language and they perpetuate the continued misunderstanding of the enormously close relationship of ALL members of the Human Race to one another both historically and at the present time
"I'm gonna write to Channel 4 and demand they remove someone less hott."
should just go around shouting out racial insults and see what the producers did. could they throw them all out?
and gets to manage peterborough.
The Posh play sexy football. I'd give up on the game the day that happened.
"I'm not racist - some of my worst signings have been black."
Just a complete fucking idiot. And if Big Brother went around throwing all the idiots out, they'd be left with an empty house
Shame though, she was the only decent looking one in there. And I do love how about ten people on this thread have used the word 'Tory' as a term of abuse
is that a serious question?
*puts on psychologist's hat*
she was clearly using the word in that context to try and identify herself with the black girl - supremely foolish and gross social incompetence but partially understandable if her main contact with black people has been in a social group in which the word has been used as an ice-breaker rather than an insult
If she were a 'racist' she would naturally feel threatened by the presence of someone of a noticably different ethnicity and would be constantly trying to dehumanise that person or even refuse to be in the same room as them and encourage others to feel the same way and not to participate socially with them
I think we're debating semantics (being racist vs. being a racist) and there's no point in doing that again.
I agree she is not an all out nazi but you can't say she definitely doesn't hold similar racist views to a large percentage of the population.
I don't really know her very well though.
I was going to put "she's probably not even racist", but that kinda made my point look a bit weak
But it just seems blindingly obvious that this is just an example of supreme idiocy as opposed to racism. And I can totally see why Channel 4 kicked her out, too. What else could they have done after that Shilpa Shetty shizzle?
"In this day and age, revealing yourself as a tory should be like coming out of the closet: painful, stressful and initially deeply embarassing for your parents"
I loled. I'm not anti tory, I'm anti cameron. The man stuck his great eton sized nose into the the diana documentary business. Sleazy attention grabbing git.
I think she was pretty smart, assertive and funny. She was a really interesting housemate and a nice person, I hope she gets a fair press outside the BB house because anyone can clearly see that she is not racist, merely a victim of C4 PR
for example, i admire the way she tricked Ziggy into telling hee who he nominated, she seems quite articulate and holds her own in arguments without swearing or losing her temper, also, she judges herself on wanting to appear intelligent and sassy rather than simply giggly and stupid.
I really don't think she is a bad person at all, and if you chastise her for the 'indie sweeping the nation' comment I just think your being bitter. She's only 19, probably quite impressionable, and she feels swept up in a culture that makes her feel happy and part of something.
I think a lot of users on DiS are kind of joyless and bitter towards young people who enjoy themselves!
who thinks being vaguely intelligent makes her better than everyone, and is also completely up herself and would probably spit on you in the street*
unfounded, the resy is true.
she does not understand the concept of argueing and of debate.
shame she's gone, she had a good bum and was a complete fucking idiot
1) racism is ok as long as you don't use any explicitly racist vocabulary
2) not being a racist is BAD if you use a racist word (cos context means nothing)
i like a girl who stands up for her beliefs
her belief that indie is a new music craze across the nation
that it is ok to call someone a nigger
that she is a considerate individual
that pete doherty is sexy
that it is a wise thing to continue supporting the existance of big brother
its fun though
the apologists on here for Emily. If she used the word, then no matter in what context it was meant - people watching would be offended and complain. And rightly so. It's a word that I'd never use myself for that very reason - not even in jest. She's pretty fucking stupid and deserved to be chucked out.
that she's probably not racist.. just stupid.
than sit on there computers and walk about wank all day!
walk about wank, excercise for both the legs and the arms
Am I racist?
will be able to go to Glastonbury and show her support for this 'indie' movement she's been raving about.
What a load of bollocks!
'I'm allowed to be racist about you because I'm black and we've been slaves for years. You can't do it back.'
Utter crap. You weren't a slave, and I've never had a slave.
Racism is racism no matter who it's about.
(That wasn't a reply to anyone in particular by the way. Just a general rant. You can all be offended by it if you wish..)