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exam tomorrow & I'm trying to sort out some sort of chronology in my head of where modernism ends and postmodernism begins. Postmodernists are fucking stupid.
Try Beckett or Kafka?
are really very debatable and subjective, some would argue that the modernist ideal was an invention of the enlightenment and that you can see postmodernist thought as early as the turn of the century...
but really there are 100000000 different interpretations of both terms
then second gen which begins in 1930 or thereabouts. That's when it went 'mainstream'.
But yeah, postmodernism is basically 60s onwards.
I give up.
and modernism was a reaction to it.
Imagism and that.
was an anti-semitic fascist ASSHOLE
but he was a very cool-looking man.
hmm no wait
has little to do with postmodernism
that did sound a little snarky. thus i did another post below.
pwease forgive me
stop being so postmodern.
so surrealism-wise i'd say go read some nice magical realist stuff like Rushdie or Marquez or Bulgakov
for fantastic pomo novelists, go for some W.G. Sebald (Austerlitz or Vertigo are my faves) J.G. Ballard, or read some Beckett plays, or maybe some good old fashioned Don Delillo (White Noise is ace)
its the pretentious essays explaining them that are a bitch.
although some of the best pomo thinkers are a total pleasure to read once you get the basic gist of what they're saying...Baudrillard and Zizek for instance are megafun cos they talk/talked about pop culture so much
and ferlinghetti are probably the best examples of postmodernist beats
I know my shit!
as burroughs might have said during his hiphop days
i've got about 30-40 hours of burroughs albums/spoken word stuff if you ever want any
I've got about 10 minutes of Burroughs spoken word stuff but I'd like more.
Do you have any Ginsberg? I've got America and that's it. His voice is the sex.
always preferred burroughs tbh. also got all of burroughs filmed cutups, which are a complete headfuck.
he also did it for audio tapes and films.
some of the lyrics of bowie's ziggy stardust record were done using the same cutup technique as burroughs
I've heard of this.
I am a big Don DeLillo fan.
The gulf war did NOT happen kids
By people that didn't understand what he was talking about, of course
they also didnt like it when he discussed september 11th
If you could summarise his points that'd be just swell. I've got an exam next week and I'm slipping in a few hundred words on his third-order simulacra. I'm ALL OVER that bitch
buildings went croosh
people went OMG
bush said shush
It gots me a 75 in my dissertation :)