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he fucked up the distribution of state owned assets, he fucked up chechnya (sp?) and he fucked up his legacy by annointing putin as his successor.
his only achievement (well, the only plus the news have been peddling) is that he stopped communism coming back and saved russian democracy. which has since been fucked over by........ putin, who yeltsin got into power.
anyone who can run a country whilst THAT drunk deserves respect.
they don't even need to pickle his body like lenin.
and every time i hear his name I think of the part off The Simpsons where Homer takes the breathiliser test and Boris Yeltsin is one of the stages of drunk
I'm not sure getting rid of communism was such a great move. Capitalism is destroying us. If the whole world was communist we'd all be a lot better off
capitalism is killing us slowly and we will have to change.
my point was that his defence of democracy is the only thing the media have praised him for and he fucked that up himself. what a ghey.
sure, understood. I don't think communism as practiced by the USSR was necesarily a winner, but I dislike the wholesale assumption that capitalism is a roaring success, and we banished evil old communism for the better, etc
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so you can have a "seconded" there.
the basic truth is soviet communism descended into brutality and capitalism is based on ever expanding products and services, that can't work and will end up failing.
we should just be like cuba i guess. that's a good place to live.
i like cigars and i like rum.
it can't be denied that one day we will have adopt a sustainable approach to the world, there is only a finite amount of resources and they will run out. we'll need a low energy, low resource system and capitalism cannot provide that.
I'm not sure if you are joking or not...
clarify either way, and I'll respond appropriately
Oh jesus...this is like a fucking deaf dumb and blind kid convention.
As I fucking said "I don't think communism as practiced by the USSR was necesarily a winner"...ditto Cuba. I'll happily criticise anyone who abuses human rights, whoever the fuck it is, and I'm not a Communist. I just said that it pisses me off that every time you see Communism referenced in the mainstream media it's based upon the assumption that it is bad.
No you fuck off.
The only reason I typed 'sigh' is because you did that to my first post on this thread, and I found it fucking annoying.
clair on the brain
I've got Eclairs on the brain
still hanging on to the communisism works in theory bullshit. Oi vey.
How many great bands came out of the USSR, again? Remind me.
Oh, but that Stalin character worked out pretty well, eh? Ask anyone who lives in Warsaw. I'll bet they haven't forgotten old Joe.
But in theory communism works, eh? Right.
hehe, what a card ;)
you're just lucky I don't go back in my time machine and tell Roosevelt to "fuck 'em".
You'd be speaking German right now.
america has helped the world before but doesn't help now.
communism does work in theory and when you consider that it lasted 70+ years in russia, then it can be shown to work in practise. blairism and bushism won;t last that long.
i'm sorry russian communism lasted that long as there were some awful acts committed but it is shortsighted to say capitalism is better because it gives us what we want in an instant.
you obviously have no understanding of what communism is ... i completely oppose it on principle because it cannot be brought into practice without tyranny (and that assumes that it can be brought into practice at all) but the soviet union was not communist
it can't be communism so long as the state appartus still exists.
an original one which i stick by
I'm practically the only regular American on the boards. And I mostly join in on the constant slagging because our government is far from perfect. But let's put it in perspective, eh?
To compare the two - holy fuck! Without getting into all the atrocities committed in virtually all communist nations, the fact you guys would say capitalism (read: USA) is a failure on par, nay worse than, the USSR is utterly ridiculous.
Ah...I thought you were joking.
Is a planet being pretty much totally destroyed not a mark of failure?
the soviet union was hardly a great example of an enviromentally friendly state.
i mean, clearly it is possible to have a fairly capitalist state and still be environmentally friendly. you just have to make it expensive to pollute.
Its not irrelevant at all. Surely it can't have escaped you that the people who run America are the same people who make petrol?
Petrol in America is about half the cost it is in England. I don't see their venerable government doing anything about that.
I also don't recall reading about people flying half way across the world for a weekends shopping trip, from communist Russia HOWEVER If you'd bothered to read my posts, which I'm sure you didn't, you'd have realised I never pimped USSR or any kinda Communism in practice as being a good thing. I just think the theories have more to offer than the blanket assumption that all communism is wrong, would suggest.
was discussing the usa as a failure compared to the ussr suggests that you were putting the ussr forward as some kind of counter example.
there is pollution other than personal pollution. like, yknow, industrial pollution. which is very targetable. the fact that many countries arent doing so isnt a valid point of criticism of the capitalistish nature of them. its a point of criticism of the governments of them.
what im saying is that capitalist countries can be environmentally friendly in just the same way as communist ones can be. so the environment isnt really a worthwhile topic of discussion in a discussion about capitalism/communism.
RE: given that your post was in reply...etc:
wrong. You see how difficult it is to discuss communism/capitalism. If you suggest communism isn't all bad, you become a 'communist'. If you suggest there is something ill in the state of America, you're immediately 'Pro Russia'...c'mon! It isn't 1959 anymore, and your name isn't McCarthy
I don't think capitalist countries CAN be environmentally friendly. I don't think the communist model as demonstrated in Russia and Cuba can be envrironmentally friendly either, but the most basic principle of Communism is more environmentally friendly than Capitalism- which suggests that hard work can lead to a luxurious existence. The fact is- a 'luxurious' existence as it is today, cannot be sustained by the environment. The idea that money can buy you ANYTHING you want is disastrous. It means fucking Bono can book a seat for to fly his fucking hat halfway across the world. We need to get used to the idea that 'most' people need to WORK. It is a false construction to make a society where everyone is a 'Senior Multi Auxiliary Research Analist' or whatever. At the end of the day, someone has to shovel shit.
we are fucking up the planet. But the US hardly has a monopoly on that. We're not destroying the Amazon.
In the cold war era it was in East Berlin where a person couldn't breath, not in the west.
And so on.
But I'll grant you that American consumerism means we're getting far more than our fair share.
To say capitalism only provides for the rich is plain wrong. The US practically invented the middle-class.
But you guys know all this. You're young and brainwashed by your college profs into thinking you believe you have 'higher ideals'. That's fine, because capitalism allows you to have whatever the fuck beliefs you want. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
I'm going back to the music board now, thanks for playing gents. ;-)
Read As: Here's me signing off with some patronising bollocks. VRRRRROOOOOOM!
we're still in search of the perfect political system.
communism has trouble not using violence and suppression
capitalism makes a few very rich and many poor, that cannot be denied either.
my first post on this page was simply saying that yeltsin's only percieved achievement was preventing a return to communism. i think he more than fucked up that legacy.
communism = everyone is made a 'worker'
capitalism = everyone is made into a consumer but you can't consume without money and in order to get money you have to work
freedom to be poor? in theory yes
in practice no
who has the answer? not me
but i wish he'd died in jail