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Indie kids, French films and post-rock are not pretentious.
The Waves by Virginia Woolf is.
Because I've never heard of the second line. You pretentious mink.
"you pretentious minx" but you got it wrong......it could've been so much better
theres nothing to it
Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified.
Making or marked by an extravagant outward show; ostentatious. See synonyms at showy.
people over-use the word pretentious.
This thread in itself feels pretentious though. And it is ESPECIALLY unjustified in this case.
About my dislike of the term pretentious.
Le Mepris - a pretentious French film
Taxi - not a pretentious French film
I'd say sweeping generalisations are pretentious.
le mepris pretentious? what exactly is it pretending to be? better than it is? more important than it is? or is it pretending to be a film when it is really a plate of chips?
is the word i see most overused and most misunderstood.
probably the most mispelt besides "rogue".
How the fuck do you spell "rogue" incorrectly? Surely it's pretty obvious that "rouge" is a different word?
also "facist". That really pisses me off.
that one kills me. The misuse, not the spelling.
i remember 2000AD once saying that something like 75% of the letters / emails they received had "Rogue Trooper" spelt as "Rouge Trooper". which makes him sould a whole lot less tough.
they should change the name
and they thought about it but decided against it as it didn't matter.
I might have to have a look through next time I see it.
as i just don't have the space to keep them :(
ALTHOUGH they now issue some very nice collected books of some of their strips, which is very nice indeed..
goes to "ironic"?
I was pretentious for not liking Talladega Nights the other day.
What a twat.
i dont think it's as over-used or mis-used as people like to think.
the majority of times I hear people using it, it's quite justified.
is pretty good until you get the point about the formal experimentation. about 2 pages in. then its gash.
just not The Waves AT ALL
My thoughts on it are basically that the experimentation is so excessive, ponderous and showy that it overshadows pretty much everything else about it.
how you can like Virginia Woolf yet accuse The Waves of being pretentious, when it's arguably the closest she came to achieving everything she strove for in writing.
isn't governed by the intentions of its author.
I'm not reading Woolf to satisfy her creative doubts or whatever. I'm reading her to gain something for myself.
but in the specific case of Woolf I find it strange that you'd find The Waves "pretentious" when it's so similar thematically and stylistically the rest of her work. What makes it any more or less pretentious than To the Lighthouse or Mrs Dalloway or Orlando? Or do you prefer the early, less experimental stuff like The Voyage Out?
to their logical conclusion, they become too difficult as pieces of literature. Rather than communicating in an interesting way, they cease to communicate. That's what I find with The Waves.
Is he pretentious?
it's pretty subjective isn't it.
Anyway this is why I don't like the term pretentious.
^not hostility, just a genuine query.
I was being a little bit throwaway, as I thought was clear from my original post.
Also, err, i'm a hypocrite. This is all.
are a hypocrite, i just think you panic in front of other people's opinions and thus change your point of view or wet yourself or both
I've always failed to understand why people find The Waves challenging, to be honest. I first read it when I was 14 - had no idea what I was getting myself in for - but it just instantly clicked with me, seemed like the way all books should be written, and the perfect way to communicate. But it's all subjective I guess.
And The Waves is Woolf at her best.
i love a bit of the woolf, but its megapoor. see Dalloway for a book where she manages to mix formal experimentation and narrative in an innovative AND readable way.
dont fuck wit me, i'm the (a) MASTER (of english literature, and this is my humble opinion), BITCHES!
I don't understand the argument that The Waves is difficult to read (although it's surely only natural that subjectivity should come into play when discussing Woolf).
but tedious as fuck. the narrative serves the form too much.
I value most about Woolf is how close she comes to dissolving the troublesome dichotomy of 'form' and 'narrative', 'style' and 'content'. She problematises the usage of these terms, which - with her emphasis on the subjectivity of existence - is wholly appropriate. Which is why I think The Waves is her greatest work, and superior to Mrs. Dalloway, where she was still noticeably somewhat shackled to concerns of classical narrative.
with a joke, to avoid being pretentious.
I think if someone means something and cares about it, they aren't being 'outwardly showy'.
I am reading my copy of Proust in French, and I have nothing to say to you, northern beardy man.
I'm collecting these.
I couldn't get past 0.
or reechard le witter, or domonique allbarn, or daveed pajsho, or ludovic barlowe, or surston muire, or le chat power etc
but probably slightly less beardy.
I still want this title though.
northern beardy man: part deux
I can deal with that
the biscuit, you petty mad helen.
would be a good joke if your name was helen.
its still funny without you being called helen.
This word only seems to be complained about by people who get called it a lot.
Just an observation
The Waves is brilliant.
last night, I was asked the question:
'What did Islamabad Kingdom Brunel do?'
that's more 'stupid' than 'pretentious'.
who asked that?
If I read those columns in mens magazines that were based on 'Stupid stuff that your bird says' then I'd write in with that.
Luckily, I don't do that sort of thing.
Just plain shit.
yes, because in an attempt to impress and be clever artists can often make something very interesting or affecting.
however, being a pretentious dick in real life and thinking that you're superior just because you appreciate some of the above things and other people dont (and must be dumdums), is utter bratwurst.