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I can say what I like now that I've left the music business never to return (tee hee). who shall I slag off first?
Well he never gave me a gig but he's a 'good egg' in other ways. No I mean really horrible Jobsworth promoters.
The nice ones
erm, that's it I think?
24 Records - they had a very understanding and friendly Irish promoter when we cancelled because the singer had the shits or RSI - I can't remember now.
i secretly own clear channel.
Say WHAT now!?
they nwever bothered 'promoting' but they weren't up their arses. I'm thinking more Plum Promotions who thought they were Harvey Goldsmith.
too long out of the game. bugbear were nice!
Horrible, horrible people.
And i also agree with Bugbear, even if it was suggested by mistake.
see? Plum never did that!
I don't think. Although I get their mailout, and scroll through it going:
"who? who? who? who? who?" then usually think about unsubscribing but don't.
I like good promoters- Sean of fortuna pop, and hand of glory
I forget the names of shit ones...any that look like they've been doing coke
Also, Bugbear is a bit faceless and really over rates it's imporatnce. It's like "oh you only bought 35 people, we'll stick you first on at the Hope & Anchor next time and be grateful we even rebook your shit band you wankers".
the man on the door once said 'anyone for the guest list?' and I said smugly 'Yes Simon Williams is coming tonight' to which he replied in time honoured lugubriousness 'He won't'
He was right, but don't break a young man's heart just please!
The promotors that try to get you to seel tickets to your friends in advance and call it an 'industry' night are the worse bastards out there.
Actually Alan McGee was one of the best I 'met' - he actually used to choose the bands and make the effort to watch you!
I'm not slagging anyone off!
and a lot fo the regional ones were whose names I can't remember now. High VOltage in manchester - they were nice.
think we've slated the pleasure unit's in house promoter enough to last a lifetime, but will fall back on the old adage of we dislike anyone that books more than four bands a night (project mayhem are extremely guilty of this)
We do reserve a profound hatred of Carl 2Bob, the rest of 2Bob are nice and work with you but that guy is a skeletalic crackwhore.
I think their promoter was ther eone ngiht telling me over and over again how much the speakers had cost and 'not to blow' them.
It comes down mostly to how organised the promoter is and whether he's put on a bill that works and not just trying to put the bands on some kind of factory line.
But, for example, the Blang night at the 12 Bar once a month is a great night with 5 bands. Probably 'cos the promoter gives a fuck.
No Wankers Aloud at 12 Bar with, ususally, six bands.
...that put on 4 - 5 acts with absolutely nothing in common, make no attempt to promote it and then demand you bring 20 people.
The list is pretty endless but Bignote and Dead or Alive are amongst those that come to mind.
Luckily I'm now getting a steady stream of gigs, and also promoting my own nights, so I'm pretty hopeful I can largely avoid these kind of nights in the future...
promotions the ones that believe you have to work your way up from the shed venue in Farringdon to Water Rats or wherever they are? If so, yep wankers.
and utterly joyless in their wankerdom as well. I arrived early once with some gear and some moody office gimp made me wait outside on the pavement for half an hour - thanks, music LOVER
i just hadn't seen them so i thought i'd remind the masses
are the most unpleasant promoter I've dealt with.
it's okay not to give someone a gig but there's no need to be patronising and self-aggrandising about it at the same time.
like some guy I spoke to at the Rescue Rooms in Nottingham a while back. He spent the whole time on the phone taking the piss out my sarf lahnden accent. Thank god for myspace, so you don't have to sell yourself on the phone.
I find also the barfly people have confused themselves with Jesus or something as well.
that is so true.
like they're offering you a share in Transglobal or something and not just a shabby old theatre with a totally broken down and despairing engineer who used to be in Cud.
And York Barfly just used to say 'drop us an email' - I'd phone up to see if they'd 'picked it up' and they'd say the same AGAIN - 'oh drop us an email'. This is why I'm an undertaker on ebay or something now.
we had the same crap with the York Barfly.
band played in the Pleasure Unit, in their contract it said that they weren't allowed to drink on stage along with a load of other crap. Is that the norm? I know that often venues in London have contracts but are they normally so fucking anal?
To be honest, from personal experience most UK promoters treat the bands they put on like shite. They should take a leaf out of their European counterparts (Germany, Switzerland, Spain etc). Get the bands some beer, some food and treat them like decent people. Too many promoters don't care about the music enough and are two busy trying to line their pockets, quite often in favour of paying the bands.
most promoters aren't promoters they're bookers. who 'have to make a living too' - ie they have to make a living at the expense of the bands because they aren't good enough at 'promoting' to get enough people in.
i know it's hard with unknown bands and stuff but it's not that hard. I've put on three gigs in the last year and they were all planned and targeted and marketed well enough that I managed to cover my costs pay ALL the bands i put on and pay myself too.
this was because i picked bands I liked, picked locations that would work and wasn't trying to get blood out of a stone by plugging 4 identical bands in the same crap venue every week.
that every gig that isn't sold out is because the "promoters are crap at getting enough people in"?
I'm not even going to bother getting into an argument except to say that's got to be the most ridiculous comment I've read on here for a long time!