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i'd rather go to a wetherspoons though.
Wetherspoons are populated by knobheads whereas Sam Smiths are generally ace and friendlier and serve better beer.
but it's relatively as cheap in London :)
just their own cider, which isn't brilliant.
you're so nice and refreshing.
I think Coheed and Cambria are pretty good (if very pretentious) but it's the amazing use of language that makes me do the most LOLZ :D
*wishes Cat was online* lmao :P
and i don't really dig their "we're an olde english pubbe!!!" rubbish. they're as much of a chain as 'spoons, but with a lot less choice.
to be honest, I'd say I go to a pub for 75% atmosphere, the rest being a mixture of choice price and location.
Sam Smiths pubs win every time in this equation, which works for me. I prefer to drink in a non-threatening atmosphere.
and i used to go regularly to the one in wood green!
a pub is a pub is a pub, as far as i'm concerned.
The Angel (Sam Smiths pub) is completely different class and when the smoking ban comes into effect it'll probably become one of my favourite pubs.
As Robyn said, the Red Lion is also amazing, one of my favourite London pubs.
looks exactly the same as every other sam smiths though, and i don't see how it has any more "soul" than a branch of wetherspoons does.
but I find it attracts a far more interesting clientele.
As I said, it's not really about the physical surroundings, it's just more of a nicer atmosphere in which to socialise.
just as good evenings at the wetherspoons in holborn (like, half a mile away or something) though, usually with the same people.
i guess i just don't "get it".
I'm just fussy when it comes to where I drink.
And that's a bad thing coming from a man who likes to drink...
i'm just not. i don't really mind where i go, i don't really get this whole "pub atmosphere" thing, i just go where the booze is cheap really. s'probably why i always end up in the lloyds bar in camden :(
look the same though.
and, yeah, i would say they definitely go for the "olde english pubbe" look, definitely.
tbh, i don't really care where i drink. a pub is a pub to me, it doesn't really bother me. i just "prefer" 'spoons because they have a much, much better choice of drinks, and to a lesser extent food.
Suggests they're touristy. Which they're not really at all.
Plus, a lot of them /are/ old, english pubs. That's kinda the point.
Whetherspoons, in my experience, are cheap characterless little dives. Great if you want to get very drunk very cheaply, not so good if you want a pleasant atmosphere on a friday night.
it suggests they go for a very English look and style, which they do.
and i don't see how a bog standard Sam Smiths has any more "character" than a wetherspoons. they're equally indentical, it's just that one goes for a cosy little english pub style and the other doesn't.
All shit looks alike
All roses look alike
Therefore, roses smell just as badly as shit?
that a genuine old english pub has a lot more character than a chain pub.
This has more to do with aesthetics, warmth and the crowds they draw, than with uniformity.
Even in the uniformity stakes, though, the chain pubs are a lot worse, in that they're a recent and delibarate attempt at uniform corporate branding, whereas the old english pubs just happen to have a vaguely similar feel.
i don't think either wetherspoons or sam smiths looks are particularly brilliant, as it goes. i suppose it just depends on if the Merry England pub aesthetic appeals to you...
i have no objections to drinking in a sam smiths, i don't really care where i go. for me, a night out is about the people i'm with, not "atmosphere". i prefer wetherspoons simply, and this is really it, because i think they have a superior range of drinks.
Everyone has different priorities. I just didn't think the argument about uniformity had a lot of merit :)
A lot of us clearly have opinions on atmosphere though and value it alongside the company on a night out.
Rather like some will say "so long as I'm with my friends I don't really care what music they play", whereas others will care about this aspect of things :)
not that shit music in the pub can't be irritating.
the thing I like most about Sam Smiths is that the ease of ordering appeals to my lazy side.
"I'll have a pint of bitter/lager/stout (delete as appropriate) please"
No fussing with brand names or anything. Easy :)
which is much cooler.