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(as I'm sure is the purpose). I want Romario to score more goals than Pele, because pele is a cunt.
he goes around telling everyone he was the greatest player ever when he clearly wasn't. I have given you my reasons for disliking Pele on a number of occasions.
he was pretty good - probably not the best, but top 10 material
I just said he wasn't the best.
the majority scored in Wembley doubles 1994-1998
If only I hadn't hit the post/tree trunk in the crucial game of 1-on-1 singles with my sister in goal in '91, I'd be there now. Damn it.
obviously ignoring the cries of 'goalhanger' from other players.
If we were playing on a proper pitch, there was no shooting inside the 6 yard box, but if there was no pitch marked out (playground etc), then anything went.
Also, how many different names are there for doubles? We called it world cup doubles, but I have heard things like Wembley being said, which just confuses me. I suppose its a regional thing.
his daughter has downs syndrome but he STILL loves her, what a guy!
with Bobby Charlton recently where he said he was talking to Puskas 'back in the day' and mentioned Pele's 1000th goal. Apparently Puskas just shrugged and said "I scored my 1000th goal years ago."
actually has a legitimate claim to being the best of all time.
I think I agree
I would say
Cruyff had a much better understanding of the game, an awareness and could match the ability of Maradona.
my sister that Maradona starred as one of the Oompa Loompas in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
IMHO. Pele was a great player in a great Brazil side. Maradona, Cruyff and Beckenbauer defined the sides they played in. This is why, I think, each of these players are greater than Pele.
and was part of a great team anyway. Maradona carried two underachieving teams (Napoli and Argentina) to titles. Thus maradona is better.
that Pele couldnb't carry a team like maradona did. Look at what he did at Napoli.
before people get their red pens out.
opinion than argument.
in which case my argument is that it is easier for a player to look great in a great team. Hence the reason Lampard looks so good for Chelsea. Great players are easier to define by the way they single handedly win things surrounded by lesser players.
Any arguments, take them to your mother
6) Kevin Francis
you might well have been right. He was phenomenal.
maybe, but none of those are bona fida strikers.
I would have Van Basten only just above Batistuta
hadn't been injured for four years he'd have been the best striker of all time.
as it is i still think he has a case.
as one of the best ever. Greatest scorer in world cup history lets not forget.
you agree with me too much.
malbranque > puskas.
YEAH. HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT?
(i love ronaldo and wish i'd seen more of him in his prime. but 68 goals in a season on champ tells its own story)
in one season for me on champ man 01/02. He was playing for celtic though.
My frontline was Anelka, Montella and Larrson. We broke all sorts of records.
with del piero totti and zidane behind.
all playing free roles, all getting about 30 a season.
was slightly after. He was signed to fill the void left by Van Bastens retirement.
was, I remember him playing in the same side as Papin, Baresi etc.
the only one of those i saw much of was maldini.
who was so good i'd bum him.
Nigel Jemson > Ian Ormandroyd
whilst they aren't necessarily the 'best' players ever, all of these made me doff my metaphorical cap:
i love these guys
my kind of players!
Talented as fuck, but never used to even close it's potential it and never won anything relevant.
Hagi is a great shout though.
it just it
but he's an alcoholic with temperament problems.
winning things means fuck all, as it's a team sport, Maradona aside.
just on pure individual brilliance, he's up there. never seen a player with anywhere near as much skill at lobbing the keeper.
dictates how good you are.
so... Clarence Seedorf?
shit, Oleg Luzhny won a ton of medals.
he was an International right back who has about 90 caps for Ukraine. Did you ever see him play in that Kiev team? And although he had a few bad games for us, he always done a fairly decent job. I could think of far worse players than him who have won more.
IAN PEARCE HAS A CHAMPIONSHIP MEDAL FOR FUCKS SAKE!
winning lots of things does not mean you're 'world class'
Oleg Luzhny was actually a good player.
anyone have that link to the Top 10 Ortega lobs on YouTube?
Zidane was a more effective player
Platini was the ultimate midfielder: could take on players, score from anywhere, play ridiculous 50 yard through-balls etc.
Zidane was the complete player.
Zidane's fresh in the memory, but he just wasn't quite Platini. Obviously he's still a wonderful player, but I never saw him pull off the impossible as many times as I've seen Platini do it.
i download old football matches off the internet so i can see old players play :'(
Zidane is the only truly great player of his generation.
had everything else you'd want from a striker.
i didn't see enough of him before the injury, and i think afterwards ruud was maybe abetter finisher?
but ronaldo had everything, and that charisma of being a truly great player.
he scored ONE from outside the box for Man Utd.
positioning? yeah, best in the world for a long while
everything else? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
that i don't know if ronaldo had better finishing?
pre-'98 definitely destined for it. I'd put him in the 'class but not quite great' category.
something like 102 goals in 188 games for madrid before he was sold. Still got it.
but his all round game's suffered since his injuries. Gone are the days of beating 4 or 5 men before sticking the ball home. The only player I've ever seen do that again and again and again.
if he's the only player to have that kind of quality?
he's been tarnished a bit in recent years by the fact that he's become lazy. Still a great finisher, but I think if he had the desire to get himself properly fit would be much more effective than he is.
but look at the goal stats!
it's frightening to think what he'd be like with working knees.
in 37 for Barcelona? That's obscene.
no doubt about it. how old was he when he won world player of the year and that?
then had the best years of his career taken away by injury and still came back to win the golden boot and break records and stuff.
although I hate agreeing with you, you tripping up shitbag.
C.Ronaldo is the only one that I'd say for certain, although Messi, Rooney, Higuain, Gago are all in with a shout.
i think rooney will be hailed by the press here but don't know whether he will achieve anywhere else.
i hope he does.
ronaldo is already one of the best players i have ever seen.
i've not seen enough of messi, but there seem to be a lot of argentinians like him who then fade into relative obscurity.
higuain i don't know.
and do the occasional awesome thing
that's what i thought, i've not seen him play, but i think that's a tricky position to really leave a mark as one of the greats.
most 'legends' only really stand out when they reach 24ish though, in retrospect.
looks the real deal from what I've seen.
lets hope he doesn't go down the ortega route of having 'the next maradona' stigma attached to him.
but he is still 19. You can allow for some inconsistency in his game.
i think you can forgive him a bad match when he'd only been fit a week.
Messi is as good as anyone i've seen when he's fit. Even against Recre at the weekend: not really in the game, still short of fitness, and then just seemingly decides to run past 3 players and score to make up for it.
especially as the commentators were talking about how quiet he had been all game.
he's not going to be uber consistent yet. He certainly has the potential to be an absolute god like footballing genius though.
in the 1994 World Cup squad. I don't think he ever played though
but he was world player of the year by the time he was nineteen.
when he won the World Cup in 1958
Its a completely different game now. I'm sure messi at 19 now would piss all over the 1958 World Cup.
in all of this, shame on you lot.
No one has mentioned Gianfranco Zola in this debate!