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however: kanye west - pretty fucking good?
I can feel my heart beat, beat, beat
If she gon' pull through
We'll find out soon
But right now she sleep, sleep, sleep
Hanging is too good for her!
If only there were more painful ways to punish someone.
Then the world would be a better place.
what would you have done to her, mr brainlove?
therapy to deal with whatever psychological problem she's picked up. Perhaps vetted/monitored her more thoroughly throughout her career as a foster parent.
but really- engels answer is he est here.
but the more stringent the benign, preventative measures you take, the more justified you are to punish harshly if stuff still fucks up.
If the *system* fails then those who are operating the failing system hold as much responsibility. I don't doubt that this woman has done some terrible things but because she slipped through the net, perhaps due to some people somewhere not doing their jobs properly doesn't justify harsh punishment.
The sad thing about this case is that it may well be another example of a perpetual cycle that is difficult to break.
who are they? and by getting involved in child adoption, is she not one of them?
it's quite dangerous to shift responsibility to institutions like that.
Social Services, people who approve foster parents etc. Those people. Why is it dangerous to 'shift' responsibility to them? It's not even shifting it - it is their responsibility.
it's everyone's responsibility. you don't think that a foster parent has any responsibility towards the children, just because they've been approved by social services?
this probably isn't what you're saying, but it gives you a chance to clarify.
a foster parent has the most responsibility towards a child in their care - that's obvious. But i would argue social services has almost as much responsibility towards a child in foster care by vetting and monitoring those who put themselves forward to look after children. A case like this highlights the need for that. I think that if there was a *system* in place that worked, then instances like these would not be allowed to happen over many years. And if this system fails, that does not necessarily mean harsh punishment should follow.
I would bet a pound to a penny this woman was abused as a child in one way or another. Harsh punishment serves only as retribution for people like the initial poster/members of the public. If social services had managed to recognise and address this woman's problems many years ago then children would not have been abused and this woman may have got the help she needs/needed.
and put a sign around her neck saying " do not speak to this child - she is evil"
also the fact that childrens services didn't notice this abuse.
They've claimed that she managed to 'avoid detection' by moving house and home schooling the kids. Surely that should lead to more home checks, if anything? It's fucking disgusting
this is a kind of watershed moment...shit like this shouldn't happen today :(
its happening now
and not just in foster homes.
the world is a scary place full of sick people.
she is clearly very very ill. i feel sorry for her :(
hang her by her clitoris!
just a cave containing dead spiders with kittens in their webs.
she's your type!
Because the two scenarios are totally comparable
you're so argumentative
CANNOT believe after reading this, we still have someone saying 'oh yeah she has done some terrible things but its the system, its the systems fault'
WOULD YOU PLEASE PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH THIS PC BULLSHIT ITS GETTING ON MY NERVES.
The woman is evil. How does the 'system' make someone force a stick down a childs throat???
The 'system' obviously doesn't force anyone to do that. But it can help to prevent it. It's not 'PC bullshit', it's looking at the wider picture and attempting to shut the stable door before the horse has bolted. How do you think people become 'evil'??? Are they born like that?? Can they not be helped?? Does the threat of harsh punishment and prison actually stop people from doing this?? Evidently not!
through your own moralistic, properly brought up, knowing right from wrong view. But not everyone is like that. Many people do terrible things for one reason or another. The threat of punishment obviously does not work as a deterrent for some people because THEY STILL DO THESE THINGS. So what's the best way of preventing terrible things like this from happening?
i mention and eye for an eye???
No matter what crime is committed in this country these days, no matter how deplorable or how despicable...or even crimes that are just about people being greedy, you have the same people crawling out of the woodwork and coming up with some reason why they should be forgiven or unpunished or helped.
I am not going into a daily mail style rant here but what goes through some peoples minds where these incidents are concerned really puzzles me. I just cannot comprehend how you think
It is an eye for an eye though isn't it? You do wrong - you get punished.
Studying Criminology opens up a world where you realise people commit crime for many different reasons. It also shows how prison/punishment does not act as a deterrent for those who commit crime because, uh, people still commit crime regardless of the 'threat' of prison. So in order to cut crime rates, the best way to attempt to do that is to address the root causes of it, as varied as they are. And like it or not, some people have psychological problems stemming from different sources which, if properly addressed, can influence them into not committing crime. Some other people have struggles in their life which inadvertently influence them as to whether they undertake crime or not, which too can be addressed.
But it does not win votes. Because people like you won't buy it. I'd love to know how you think crime should be addressed in this country.
just get drunk one night and wander about the street and spot you walking home...and because I am drunk and full of bravado, i decide to punch you in the face. I wouldnt do it when sober but I have had a skinful and I have gone over and gave you a full force punch in the mouth.
Why have I done that? Did you deserve it? Should I be punished? If so how? If not, why?
do that then?
avoid the question. Of course i dont...
avoiding questions, I'd love to know how you think crime should be addressed in this country.
The answer is there is no answer. Because I severely doubt you would ever do that, so you cannot project an answer onto a hyperthetical situation which would not occur. Neither would I punch anyone in the face when drunk. Because for whatever the reason we know the difference between 'right' & 'wrong' and are non-violent sorts where the deterrent of not being a cunt, not going to court, and not being convicted of assault & battery/affray works for US. Doesn't work for everyone though.
Why is that? Maybe strain has something to do with it. Maybe class structure has something to do with it. Maybe anomie has something to do with it. Maybe other theories have something to do with it. Maybe a combination of them all. My argument is if people's difficulties are addressed in the past whilst they are growing up, then the occasion of someone punching someone else in the face is less likely to occur.
think that pathologising all crime is quite a dangerous thing to do?
all crime. I agree with you though. None of those mentioned theories are pathological in nature. I'm trying to put accross the point that people don't necessarily make conscious weighing up decisions when they commit crime, there are other factors involved. And if crime is to be reduced, this needs to be recognised and addressed.
this woman is comparable to hitler.
You can also draw clear comparisons betwen the failure of the childcare services and the failure of the league of nations.
mention for one minute an eye for an eye but his auto pilot kicked in when defending crime and he must have just imagined i said it....or hoped!
bunch of King Cnuts! ;-)
he's a kickass legnd to have...
news story actually say that this woman had mental health issues or are we just guessing?
can you be sane and force your kids to drink bleach and ram sticks down their throats?
but I wouldn't be able to deal with it.