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Number Five reads like a SIMPSONS script!
"I often debate with evolutionists because I believe that they are narrow mindedly and dogmatically accepting evolution without questioning it. I don't really care how God did what He did. I know He did it."
who tells me that on a regular basis :|
is really quite sad
that's what made it particularly sad.
"I can sum it all up in three words: Evolution is a lie"
a lot of it sad really. That people can think others are worthless just because they don't believe in the same God and so on. i think 78 proves it, for instance. i found 3 upsetting too, saying a foetus can commit a sin. i hate the world sometimes.
"A woman wants to abort a rape child? She should have thought of that before she walked down that dark alley without a male prescence, not to mention she should have thought before putting on revealing attire.
[Yes. It should (be legal). Otherwise you're screwing over the women who don't deserve their fate.]
Are you calling them victims now? Should've stayed in the house where it's safe."
I didn't even know people with those views existed!
the world is a sad place.
'occams razor disagrees' award.
"But God don't talk in Arabic. He talks in a REAL language, namely, English. It's true that back in them days He translated that to some other language after Speaking it in English, but after all, it's His universe and He can do what He doggone well wants to do."
'It was an assertion that after centuries of the naked public square (denuded of religion referents) the public now too had to go naked. The former had been true tolerance, something exceptional and laudable. It allowed everyone to bring their own cosmic testimony to the square. But this new form of "tolerance" changed things. From everyone being welcome, it had become everyone but.'
This paragraph just springs at you out of nowhere. Arghness.
Perhaps you need to engage your brain before responding because clearly whether you're religious or not, that's a list of terrible quotes from fuckheads.
I don't see that this is an attack on religion, more an attack on morons.
Personally I'm NOT trying to make a point. Maybe if I had made the site I would be but clearly I didn't.
kids are brought up in highly religious families, and forced to believe whatever. Never offered alternatives.
i don't really understand what you're trying to argue here. That people should not be put down because of their actions when they are based on the interpretation of religions?
faith can be a beautiful thing, yes, but not in the context of the way it is used in a lot of these quotes, which is what i thought we were discussing.
Surely the origin of all faiths is people who can't get to grips with their own mortality ? Sure its nice when everyones together believing one thing in harmony etc etc, but that leads of separation from "non believers", which leads to fundamentalism.
See, the thing is, the one thing I remember being taught most clearly at my CHRISTIAN primary school is the importance of asking 'why' when people make unsubstantiated claims.
In this instance, it's important to ask why faith is a beautiful thing?
If I have faith that some day a man will come to the door and present me with a sackful of money, is that a beautiful thing, or am I just a cretin?
In the same way, if I have faith that there was a man who 2000 years ago was executed and resurrected 3 days later for what he deemed to be mankind's sins - even though there is no evidence of his actual existance, save what was written by men who weren't alive by the time he was killed, no evidence to suggest he was anything other than a crackpot while he was alive and certainly no firm evidence to suggest that any of the actions attributed to him actually transpired - is that beautiful, or have I just been punked?
find Jesus' bones.
The apostles smoked 'em. Most high any human being has ever been.
dogmatic....I suspect Vikram is not dogmatic either
"i'd like to believe ... but just can't do it."
Surely you want to believe what's true, if you can't believe something because you don't think it's true, why would you want to believe it?
you'd like there to be something, rather than you'd like to believe there was something?
Yes implied that religion could be a "curse" because some parents forced their religious beliefs on their children. Vikram pointed out that the "religious" aspect of this was immaterial, as it was true of many parents and their non-religious beliefs - i.e. the real objection here is to crap parenting, not religion. I don't think he was trying to justify fundamentalist lunacy.
i have before argued that Dawkins is also puts down Darwinism for being flawed but i was shot down for this.
but of what is being said. i know quite a few openly religious people but the difference is they are accepting of others of other faiths, and are willing to at least listen to the arguments of others.
Where are there millions of idiotic, intolerant and cruel quotes by secularists?
And while we're at it, you should note that secularism is not remotely close to being anti-religious and believing in secularism doesn't mean that you're not religious.
""I appreciate your recommendation, and it is intriguing, but as a pro-lifer, I cannot support an organization that is opposed to the death penalty.""
seriously, religion just causes a heap of trouble.
You are confusing the enforced institution of the state ideology with an actual secular society.
Secular states on this planet include: UK, USA, Germany, France, etc.
You would do well to note that once fascist Germany and communist Russia realised things weren't working, they reversed their policy and respectively, started trying to co-opt the Catholic and Orthodox churches again, re-writing the rule book to include faith again.
Really? last time i checked it was engaged with a fundamentalist war on an abstract concept. I think whats being missed here is the facty that most of these quotes are fundies interpretations of the bible, which is why theyre funny because theyre wrong.
What is a fundamentalist war?
"Sadly, Steve Irwin wasn’t a creationist. He mentioned evolution and the concept of millions of years many times in his television programs. For example, he once told Larry King on CNN’s Larry King Live cable program that crocodiles had been around for 200 million years, and if you weren’t careful they would kill you"
What does the death of Steve Irwin mean for us? It’s a reminder that we all need to repent of our sin so that we can be saved for eternity—because we all face death. As a witnessing opportunity at this time, point more of your friends/relatives to AiG’s website for answers to this important question—one that affects everyone’s eternity.
but it certainly gives idiots a good excuse.
fucking. just. FUCKING hypocritical motherfuckers. ARRRRRRRRGH
these people are absolute morons who would find some other reason to hate people if it wasn't religion...
by essentially hating other people. it's like a weird 'white mans burden' or something. wankers.
was hating. you get what i mean though.
by 'white mans burden'?
Can i go now?
''white man's burden" was a characterization for imperialism that justified the policy as a noble enterprise. essentially.
Take up the White Man’s burden—
Send forth the best ye breed—
Go send your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need
To wait in heavy harness
On fluttered folk and wild—
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child
Take up the White Man’s burden
In patience to abide
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple
An hundred times made plain
To seek another’s profit
And work another’s gain
Take up the White Man’s burden—
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better
The hate of those ye guard—
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah slowly) to the light:
"Why brought ye us from bondage,
“Our loved Egyptian night?”
Take up the White Man’s burden-
Have done with childish days-
The lightly proffered laurel,
The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years,
Cold-edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers!
- Rudyard Kipling
i'm against religion quite strongly though.
One can't compare secularism to religion in that way because secularism is an absence of religion.
Dictators are rarely anything to do with religion. They can be religious and non-religious. Let's not forget Mussolini and the Vatican's ready desire to help out the Nazis.
And the hatred of Jews had a largely religious basis in any case so one could attribute Nazism's worst traits to religion if one wished.
at least one secular quote in that list, by the way.
but you were acting like secularism was the same as atheism.
What the fuck are you arguing, then?
I would have said the comparisons between dictatorial / totalitarian government and (organised) religion are pretty obvious, really. Herd mentality exploited by corrupt leaders who've strayed far from the true meaning of their purported ideologies... not really that much of a mental leap, is it?
Hypocritical, compassionless morons cause trouble. Religion is just an excuse (and as has been pointed out above, it's certainly not alone in that department).
""[Replying to 'as for not seeing evolution it takes several million years... incase you missed that memo...']
several million years for a monkey to turn into a man. oh wait thats right. monkeys dont live several million years.""
"Satan -- with the help of his little red-headed, mental-terrorist step-child"
i can see...
"LOL, I think that I am the one that is missing something. Because I fail to see how "glyphosate" resistant weeds is an arguement FOR evolution. I do not even know what glyphosate is so how can that be evidence for anything. Maybe for you it is evidence, for me it is just a word that I do not know the meaning of."
I think that the relevant point here is that athiests say nasty things true,,,,,yes indeed, however an athiest is not someone who has necessarily labelled themselves as following a spiritual or moral lifestyle.......the people in these quotes all imagine they try to follow a moral code/spiritualiuty.......of course they are just crackpots, however unfortunately they are crackpots who have picked up on some ideas that have a germ in some of these religeons. Of course religeous people can be very nice people too
obviously the reality of history is that the christian church has 'approved' of heathens and pagans and heretics to be extremely tortured and killed in great numbers.........a later quote actually reveals that one christian would be happy for this to occur still.
it just.... PISSES ME OFF SO MUCH arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh
"If we evolved from monkeys, how come we can't speak Monkey?"
"Please understand that I believe a wife who is being physically abused should leave if she feels threatened; but not divorce. Such a wife needs to sincerely ask herself "why" her husband is being abusive--there's ALWAYS a reason. ..."
oopsy! am i going to hell now?
and his god told her she was evil for bleeding.....actually some rastafari kind of hold those sort of unsavoury beliefs with regard to menstruation (not it being evil)
this is the funniest thing ive read all day...
How can anyone believe we evolved from monkeys?
If we did evolve from monkeys then how come babies arent born monkeys?
...I see nothing wrong with those quotes. Each and everyone of them is valid, you lot are just overreacting because you haven't found God...yet.
hiding under a ten pence piece outside Asda, He seemed a bit embarrassed.
.....where is he?
Ive found him, met him, had a chat with him, and he agrees that Im a damn sight holier than many elements of the institution of the catholic church, what is worse, because other elements of the catholic church compound the wrongs by covering up and speaking as one, that kind of makes the whole thing slightly culpable........................................HE Is Very Dissappointed.
I may be a Catholic but I'm not that shortsighted/ignorant/just plain retarded.
it is said we evolved from monkeys over several million years...........monkeys dont have a lifespan of a few million years
must have said secularism at least 10 times in this thread. Shame he didn't spell it right once.
Or realise that the word he actually wants is agnosticism.
But I didn't want to make it seem like a personal attack.
An atheist is someone who has come to the firm believe that there is no god - particular in the monotheistic Judeo-Christian sense.
An agnostic is someone who is prevented on coming to a decision on the great question either way for the lack of evidence.
Agnosticism would be the safer term to use in this debate.
N.B. A non-belief is still a belief, if you catch my drift.
there were people who ACTUALLY deny gravity.
i'm assuming those are fake.
this is making me so so so angry.
oh the irony.
it's not christianity io have the mjor problem with. it's stupid religious extremists who deserve to die.
i'm not even joking, i think they should die now.
you didn't see the 'irony' in your post then?
is a severe case of paranoia and general unhingedness.
and anyway I often mispell (pun)
I am not sure but I reckon that he is not a dogmatic person, I think hes a Jain.
The abrahimic religeons of Christianity Islam and Judaism are dogmatic.
Nazism and communism would also appear to be dogmatic.
This is a dangerous approach.
I am not suggesting that people who follow the abrahimic faiths are bad, many people are just good people and live under different faiths no matter what. The positive idea of organised doctrinal religeon is that most humans are not good and need instruction to be good, unfortunately this means they tend to often encourage obediance of a 'great man' whose word/interpretation is seen as inviolate law........now admitedly of late weak anglian church stuff is quite insipid and watered down.
Any culture that encourages obediance rather than self realised virtue breeds potential unthinking
again I do not necessarily believe that the men within the religeons would suggest this, but if dangerous men did get into a position where the populace regarded them as the big man then this is regretable.....george dubya?
I like the second law of thermodynamics one. Does that make me a geek?
the argument against creationism is that they use the second law of thermodynamics without mentioning that it is only possible in a closed system. Because when the part about a closed system is mentioned it automatically renders the argument that evolution is not possible redundant.
Exactly: there are plenty of places in the universe where entropy decreases *locally*.
Also, they seem to think that energy and entropy are the same thing.
Ultimately, everyone is engaged in the search for 'the answer' and some people choose weird ways to get there.
But I do think that those people who display extremist Christian and Islamic beliefs, or extremist anything else beliefs, in the hope that when they die they'll get sent to paradise...
...well, I think they're greedy, cowardly shits. How dare they presume that holding thoroughly unpleasant views in this life will somehow get them infinite blowjobs in the next? They live life as if they've entered into a £250,000 draw or something, and the first 50 names out of the hat win. Horrendous.
I think that, if you're going to be religious, you should do it because you believe your religion to be a good thing in and of itself, and not because adherence to its codes will get you some kind of sparkly prize later on.