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The only man to have scored in the Merseyside, Manchester and Glasgow derbies.
is that really the best they could do?!
that picture of him standing on the ball for Rangers!!
he was of the generation of Cantona, Zola and Bergkamp.
dickface. He came to England in 1991, the same year as Cantona. Zola came in 1996 (?) and Bergkamp in 1995.
I'd say same generation.
bergy and one into zola.
he was before them, same generation as cantona, after molby and before the zolas.
sung to the tune of MC Hammer's 'Can't Touch This'
Der ner ner ner neeer neeeer Kanchelskis
I'll give you that one.
But probably the inventor of the most useless piece of footballing skill I've ever seen:
I'm giggling. Why have I never seen that before?! Ace.
in front of the ball? I can't get youtube at work.
he was pretty rubbish
you are a bit of a knob. He was ace, he just had silly wage demands.
when all the best foreign players played in Italy. We just got clowns like Kanchelskis.
He always looked really happy as well, which i admire in a footballer (the main reason i dislike Henry...)
Wigan deserved everything they got. Did no-one actually see Kirklands timewasting? I hope wigan get relegated and go bankrupt. Words cannot describe my hatred for them.
I bet it is isn't it you sad case
Did you not enjoy the Road to Wigan Pier or something?
I would don my Harlequins shirt and LAUGH A LOT.
He's become so fucking arrogant of recent with his finger-to-lips, head-shaking goal celebration and now this. How would he every appreciate what that result could've meant to Wigan. Cunt. I've also thought he's a cunt since he started crying sfter arsenal lost the champions league final and claiming real men don't dive. Real men like Ebouououououe you mean Thierry? I think you'll find he dived for the free-kick that lead to your first goal you blinkered twat. Also, how's you face after that nasty knock you received against Spain in the world cup? Dirty cheating gooner scum!
Yes, I'm a Spurs fan, but in this case my bias is negligible.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Talk about diving? With Zakora in your team? Fuck off!
TWO NIL, AND YOU FUCKED IT UP!
You wouldn't if you supported a joke team I promise you
because someone is slandering my team! And if that someone is a spurs fan then it makes it even worse.
that 'personal' is it. He didn't shag your wife
so I'm well within my rights to have a go back.
- you are blinkered, but you're not atwat
Yeah, Zakora's taken a few dives and i don't like it, but he's never spoken out against it in a holier-than-thou attitude like henry after the barca match...
howabout you learn to read properly, cuntface!
I was clearly having an imaginery conversation with Henry...jeez...
How does it feel to not have beaten us for 7 years?
How does it feel to have not won the league since 1961?
How did it feel when Sol Campbell came to us and won more in his first season than in his entire Spurs career?
I mean 'really' cares
but I console myself with the fact that the entire Arsenal team are cunts an their manager would lose in a fight with Martin Jol.
you are really pathetic. Really pathetic.
where did this start getting serious?
'the entire arsenal team are cunts'. At least have a bit of wit about it.
Maybe a season following spurs would toughen you up.
All arsenal players are lovely.
a quite hateful man. He should have gone to Barcelona where he could have won the one thing that he never will at Arsenal.
so overrated. so utterly insufferably smug. and such a fucking twat.
I don't think he's overrated though
very good. but i don't think he's going to be particularly remembered other than arsenal fans.
his game is essentially very limited, once he loses his pace he'll go downhill very quickly, and he never controls games.
also, the fact he never turns up in big games exemplifies his poor attitude.
and the hypocrisy (outrageous dive again yesterday)
and the fact that the media portray him as doing no wrong. and cream over very average goals just because it's him.
he should be banned
he may've scored lots of goals, but he doesn't control games.
gerrard has been far far better for at least the past three, arguably keane or vieira or scholes before that.
essentially all henry does is run and tap it in. not a great player.
if scoring from range makes you a great player then lampard must be one of the best ever?
and scholes and gerrard would still be better than henry.
but i don't think he's a great player.
he just doesn't do enough or have the range to his game.
beckham caressed 30yarders in, alonso too, bergkamp....
this is ridiculous.
oh fuck off and grow up.
i was jesting...
alonso is better. merely that caressing shots doesn't make him great.
also, i think it's pretty obvious he didn't go to barcelona because he realised he'd not be the centre of all the hyperbole if he was playing with ronaldinho or messi et al every week.
selfishly shooting from thirty five yards...
he's yet to really do it at international level.
Ronaldinho's got a long way to go...
never played in europe, and over 300 goals in his career came from his time in the Brazillian Army. Maradonna was better. Won a world cup nearly single handedly (mexico 86), as well as winning serie A with Napoli, and other trophies with Barca.
although i couldn't choose between him and Maradona...
is because Pele tells everyone he is the greatest of all time!!
El Hadj Diouf in his 100 greatest players list, but his achievements were phenomenal and he was part of the greatest team ever and he seems like quite a nice chap. I don't there's been anyone better, he just occupies the top spot with a few inc. Maradonna and George Best
and stuart nethercott.
what's her taste like?
1) Henry 'whiter than white' etc? Everyone knows he's an arrogant tosser. Everyone knows he dives. He's competitive, like all good sportsmen. The idea that everyone loves 'dear Thierry' is a bunch of bollocks usually used to defend Cristiano Ronaldo, because of his reputation as an arrogant diving tosser.
2) Overrated? Can't control a game? 'Big game bottler'?
i don't know how you define 'controlling a game', but as the only striker to retain the European Golden Boot etc. i'd find it hard to dispute that he hasn't gone some way toward 'controlling games'.
The 'bottling' thing is a bunch of utter toss. Henry consistently scores in important European fixtures (Bernabeu, hat trick in Rome, Inter, etc), has won plenty of cup finals and not exactly played badly blah blah blah and just two weeks ago scored a last minute winner against the team top of the league. Why, Maradona was marked out the game in the 86 world cup final! Did he bottle it?
Henry's there to score goals, which he does more regularly than anyone else. Added to this, he's previously had more assists than anyone else in a Premiership season too (i believe 2002/3).
You my friend, are a wise man in a sea of fools.
and his apparent absence in major finals is what fuels this bottling debate...
***objective post - not meant to offend**
I could be here all day, I really could. I guess this is what is so good about this website, in that you get a nice heated debate. Its kept me busy 'at work' anyway.
the french tactical systems over the last few years have been appalling in terms of attacking football. that has no relevance toward Henry as a player: he's just one man.
which major finals would these be then? most major finals are tense, cagey affairs with little in the way of attacking football. can you recall a major final in the last few years with a stunning performance from an attacking player? cup finals don't produce thrashings.
All the finals he'd been in with Arsenal and les bleues...
World Cup FInal
Euro 2000 final
Champions league final
Uefa cup final 2000
FA cup finals 2001/2/3.
I agree the French foward line's a bit of a non-entity but that's no real excuse - he had awesoem players around him and has not played his best for the country. Zidane has almost a good a goal scoring record as henry...
-world cup final no one player stood out at all, and the whole game was overshadowed by the Zidane incident. either way, Henry had by that point been playing football constantly for almost a year.
-champions league final he was arsenal's greatest attacking threat and on another day could've had a hat trick. these things happen. he certainly wasn't anonymous, especially when you consider that there were only 10 men on the pitch for most of the game
-again, biggest threat in the uefa final
-denied a goal by a clear handball by Henchoz in one cup final, should've had a penalty in the first minute against Southampton and only didn't get it because he DIDN'T fall over, won 2 of those finals anyway
added to that, the French national side has been built around Zidane for years and needed him to play well to succeed, which they did fitfully.
plus: football is a team game, and how do you think the teams got to those finals in the first place?
The 'biggest threat' argument is a little misleading due to the fact that he's Arsenal's best player/striker and therefore occupies the opposition defence more than others. In the champions league, Sol Campbell turned out to be their biggest threat, as he scored.
World Cup, no FRANCE player had a good game...surely a chance for Henry to shine then?
You're right, team game, but each player has a role and Henry's is to score which he's not done in any major final.
very few players do score in major finals.
i don't think Romario ever did, and i don't think Maradona ever did.
In the France team, Zidane was the focal point. All the play went through him, whereas at Arsenal Henry is part of a more egalitarian system where no one player carries the entire attacking burden. Henry stands out in this system because he simply is a great finisher and passer of the ball, as well as all of the dribbling and the backheels blah blah blah.
Sol Campbell had one attempt, after he'd come up from the back. Henry had at least 4 shots/chances, and had two markers on him for the whole game despite Barcelona's one-man advantage.
Ronaldo has twice
Zidane has twice
and that's justa few WC finals..
Romario scored in the 90 shootout (Henry clearly didn't want a penalty in the 06 final)
great players do perform (i.e. carry out their role effectively) in major finals.
Anyways, i've got to go. Henry's undoubtedly a great player, just no Rory Allen...(this is another joke olegrich)
us but contributed nothing for the rest of the match.
and controlling games is what fabregas does for you. henry is a good striker but overrated insofar as he is NOT one of the great players of all time as he is often made out to be.
and he is always presented by the media as whiter than white.
and this is kanchelskis finest hour by far
It's silly to criticise Henry for not 'controlling' a game. He's a striker. How is he supposed to control a game exactly? Tell me a postion other than centre mid and *maybe* the Bergkamp role that allows a player to control the game
He has been responsible for winning more than his fair share of games with his goals. I'd say that this is how a striker 'controls' a game
all fair. my point though is that he is regarded by the media and plenty of people as an absolutley great great player.
which he isn't.
because his game is too one dimensional (controling games being part of that), and he has many other failings (hypocritical twat, that's never convinced internationally or in big games.)
because you're looking at every match as if he's going to score a hat trick and win the world cup.
he's had plenty of games for France and Arsenal whereby he's been the sole difference between the two sides.
his 'reputation' leads people to expect too much: you didn't see say, Zidane every week on TV so you don't see his bad moments.
Zidane's only great performance in the 1998 world cup was in the final, and the 2006 world cup is characterised by one brilliant game against (a poor) brazil and his mad headbutt in the final. Most people only remember the 'glory'.
but if his repitation means people expect too much surely that makes him overrated?
Did you ever watch a game in which Maradona played where he DIDN'T run past 8 players, do a roulette, score a 30 yard free kick etc?
just because he doesn't do these things every game doesn't mean he can't do them.
i certainly wasn't complaining. which man utd players contributed more than he did?
fabregas is a midfielder! you can't compare the two of them as they have completely different roles in the team.
henry is held up as one of the great players of all time because of his goalscoring record and the fact that on certain occasions he can win games through exhibitions of skill that 99.9% of players either cannot achieve or wouldn't think of being able to achieve. take the FA cup game at anfield just last month: he passed to himself! it's a unique ability he possesses.
i disagree. i think you can compare and i think he's overrated.
i thought shevchenko was overrated at milan, and ruud overrated here for exactly the same reasons.
they all have tremondous records, and yes anazing skill, but don't do enough to justify the level of hyperbole.
he might be able to pass to himself, but isn't particularly good passing over thirty yards to someone else.
The difference with Henry is that he can run past 5 players with the ball at his feet, place it in from 30 yards, has superb vision and selflessness in and around the penalty area and is adept with both feet, as well as having his tremendous pace. Even without his pace, he'd still be a tremendous asset to the team.
Shevchenko is essentially the same sort of player as Henry, only slightly slower and more of a predatory attitude to scoring goals.
Van Nistelrooy's only asset was his positioning, at which he's probably the best i've ever seen. Which is why he was always there to tap the ball in 2 yards out.
mr rapscalion-jones sir.
Henry's relative lack of aerial prowess also counts against him...
Great player, just not one the greats...
I just wish he'd be a little more gentlemanly...
In other news. The Walcott's a bit rubbish, isn't he?
and his right foot was only for standing on.
Walcott's 17 years old. He's not the Messiah, but he is better than the likes of Pennant already.
and Walcott is the better player.
he's short of confidence at the moment, but it doesn't change the fact that he's regularly a handful for fullbacks and already has at least 3 crucial assists for Arsenal. he's also versatile, and can play on both wings and up front.
Pennant is a one-dimensional right winger with horribly variable crossing, and whilst he can be superb, he can also hit the first man every bloody time. Gronkjaer much?
but i don't think walcott is as good as he was hyped to be.
I'm sure he will be in time. He just seems to have struggled a bit in the PL.
come good i for one am blaming sven.
is indeed the end of an era. The end of a mildly impressive, soon forgotten era.
How they can list him as an ex-Saints player I don't know, he trained with us during pre-season but I'm not sure how many times he got on the pitch for us.
Goodbye Andrei, you were alright at football sometimes