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And what's inflation again? 2.7%.
Fucking money-grabbing cunts, frankly.
if they were actually using it to deliver an integrated transport system
Given it was practically a 10% rise last year...
to get improvements, but when there are no improvements, well...
Do you actually use the tube? massive renovations to main stations.
out in the provinces
the cost of transport is higher in london than it is in manchester.
personally, i think subsidies for public transport should be more extensive. but not in London, the amount of money the rest of the UK pours into trying to make London function is ludicrous
did you face your voice and bulge your eyes when you said it? I'd be disappointed if you didn't
me not type so good
bulged. i also faced my voice - been meaning to do it for a while but kept putting it off.
i sound like .... someone
when i'm in the "mood"
There is a lot more use of cars and there is a greater liklihood of being able to walk to work, I'd say, so the buses have to compete with that.
london, public transport tends to be more expensive where provision is rubbish and demand is low.
for example, it's considerably more expensive in Newcastle than it is in Manchester. And it's also significantly worse.
but yeah, why don't cars just sod off?
let's get some money along the m62 corridor.
to be honest, i don't get why so much money is spent on trying to meet the needs of a city which demands the impossible. we should expect less of london and more of the regional cities
That's the idea. But two years running the tube fares have outstripped inflation significantly (it maybe 3 or 4 years but I can't remember the rises that far back. However I think in 2001 my travelcard was roughly £85 and by the end of 2005 it was £91 so probably not).
i wouldnt mind travel prices going up if my paycheck went up!
become more expensive to run? i don't get it, to be honest.
the subsidies provided to the underground are enormous but why do running costs keep going up?
diesel is still v. fuel efficient and bus operators don't pay fuel tax.
to account for the size of the increases.
Maybe they stopped Stagecoach with that one but their old system was to have standard Stagecoaches with high fares and then run Magic Buses so cheap they were basically loss-making.
But then it would drive all the other companies under until there was only Stagecoach and their own Magic Buses...at which point the Magic Buses are all removed.
when the govt. owned south manchester bus corporation was privatised, it was bought out by the employees. Magic Bus was launched to compete with it and then a few years down the line, Stagecoach bought the privatised South Manchester Bus Corp.
I'm such a wanker
but they had done it in other places first. I remember when they appeared 10-odd years back that we were told we shouldn't use them for that reason.
Maybe it was all lies?
too, though. They actually ran completely free buses in Darlington for 4 months or something.
if for no other reason. But also fuel prices too. The tube gets its electricity from outside and that's gone up.
most people receive pay rises in line with inflation and ticket prices should go up accordingly. i take your point about electricity costs increasing but why do costs never come down in leaner periods?
I was complaining more that the rises are outside inflation.
The answer to your 'leaner periods' question is that inflation is never 0 in this country and certainly, apart from in the technology sector, deflation isn't something that happens.
(The reason for this is apparently to do with high inflation cancelling out the National Debt, I believe.)
down even if discount for the effects of inflation.
high inflation doesn't cancel out national debt but it does decrease its value.
That it works against it.
Costs of computer stuff has come down and continues to do so both in real terms and apparent terms. You could spend £2,500 on a PC for business purposes 20 years ago.
CDs have come down by remaining roughly the same price, i.e. about £13-£15.
is not good
that's £20 i lose, my weekly ticket is £12.20
how much is it going to be now??
i dont mind paying for a service, but paying for a service that is mostly shit, and when no one even ever looks at yr ticket...i get a bit annoyed
Mine will rise from £99.90 to £105.30. Last year it went up from £91something to £99.90. I really regretted not buying a yearly one in December at the 2005 rate then. :-(
in the great scheme of things.
What do you get for that?..which is actually less than 3 weeks of petrol for me
less than my old one year student bus pass.
i have nothing else to add, i just wanted to provide an opportunity for people to call me a fool for commuting so far
for commuting so far
i read that post in the voice of James Earl Jones
In Australia their fuel costs are about half ours yet they complain about how much it costs! :D
But my point is really that in the old days of the GLC the fares on the tubes and buses actually went down thanks to govt. subsidies that Ken put in place. I just don't see what we're getting for this constantly rising fare.
I should become a tube driver, actually. They already earn more than me (allegedly). :D
how hard can it be? really?
What would you call your train though? Mine would be Tomos in homage to Monpot
Tube Drivers are supposed to be on 30-35K I believe...
and the only do 6 hour shifts. and have 2 months paid leave etc etc
is that south west trains still dont support oyster cards.
i can use it on the bus
i can use it on the tube
but the train from mine to central london- gotta get an all zones.
is living somewhere with no trains
I pay 55 euros a month in Paris !
£100 per month.
annual zone 1-3 travelcard is £1096, or £764 for students, as of 2007.
Now that's expensive !
A revolution is in order !
Burn some cars.
Do something !
Throw stones at policemen.
Kill the rich.
Listen to Forget Cassettes.
Hang the priests.
I never contributed to your 'should I get redundant' thread
If I were you Theo, I would go for the 3 month redundancy pay off and then sign on in order to get free business start-up help and advice. Then set up your own company and freelance. You have mad skills - stay home when you want to and be your own boss
That sounds madly complicated...Hmm...
tis dead easy - I don't know why more people don't do it
I think its a good thing that train prices are going up.
After all, we do want to keep people IN THEIR HOMES WHERE THEY CAN'T POLLUTE...er, and stuff
An andecdote. The other day a german friend needed to go from my town to Stoke on Trent, to pick up a Concertina he was buying. He was quoted £120 to get there by ten in the morning.
Perhaps someone in the government can tell me how that is a viable alternative to what we did in the end- get him insured for one day on my chicks mums car for a tenner, and stick £20 of petrol in the tank.
Trains in the this country are fucking rubbish, overpriced bandits. I'd like to turn a train sideways and ram it up the minister for transports arsehole
london and then out again?
but even so- I went to uni in stoke, and with a young persons railcard, five years ago, it was about thirty five quid return.
Obviously, being as he's foreign, he doesn't have any kind of card, and he wanted to travel at 'peak' time...so would have got stung badly.
Travelling into and out of London shouldn't be that big a deal anyway- they just use it as a reason to jack up the fare. Its only 20 miles from my house to tot. hale, and then euston is only a couple of stops on the tube...
The bank that likes to say "Your money has been diverted via Charing Cross. Sorry this is clearly the most inconvenient thing we could have done."
is that car travel has gone down whilst public transport goes up, and then they tell everyone to take public transport
this rise is just on theo's travelcard. nobody else need worry.
Oh wait, you mean the rest of you just jump the buses, don't you?
I must be stupid !
I even pay for my daughter !
london's public transport is ridiculously good compared to that of the rest of the country. yeah, its more expensive than most of the country, but so what? its awesome.
It's decent. It's not like there's no room for improvement. And you know, I would at least like the rising cost to rise below my pay rises (which would mean it wouldn't rise)!